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Crippled_Newsie
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posted 18 October 2005 12:45 PM
Arrests Made; Bail Granted quote: Three teenage boys have been arrested and bailed over the murder of a gay man beaten to death on Clapham Common. They were questioned on Monday about the death of 24-year-old bar manager Jody Dobrowski who was found beaten on the south London common. ... A police spokesman said the three were initially held on suspicion of motor vehicle offences. They were subsequently arrested on Monday afternoon and questioned in connection with the murder. They have been released on bail until a date in November.
Edited to add: Homophobic killers' threat to second man quote: Two men suspected of launching a homophobic attack that killed a man on Clapham Common, also threatened to beat up another gay man on the same night, The Guardian has learned. ... The man who was threatened stumbled on the attack of Mr Dobrowski. The two men threatened to attack him unless he backed off, which he did, and continued to punch Mr Dobrowski, who died hours later in hospital from his injuries. ... Police believe their two main suspects had attacked gay men before and fear the killers may strike again
If police say they pose a continuing threat, why did these guys get bail? [ 18 October 2005: Message edited by: Tape_342 ]
From: It's all about the thumpa thumpa. | Registered: Oct 2004
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jeff house
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posted 20 October 2005 02:09 PM
It may well be that they should be kept in jail until their trial. It should depend on the question of their overall dangerous, pattern, etc.But we shouldn't start with the idea that, just because the allegations are serious, therefore they are presumed guilty. In defending my clients, I often see the followin pattern: 1. Four people accused of serious crime. 2. All detained until trial (two years later). 3. At trial, it turns out that one, or more, didn't do it, were wrongly identified, were standing nearby but did nothing, etc. 4. Once you see this pattern a few times, and see that someone's life is seriously harmed while in jail without having committed an offence, you begin to appreciate the need for bail. In Canada, right now, people are presumed to have the right to bail for most charges. But for murder, you are presumed NOT to be releasable, and you must establish sufficient reason to be released. That is why most murder suspects remain in jail for years before trial. There are, in Canada, three grounds for detention in a usual case. One, the person won't show for trial. Two, the person is likely to commit further offences if granted bail. Third, a "tertiary ground". This last one refers to situations which would outrage the public, such as cases of substantial violence in which guilt is very likely. The case I remember involved a baby sitter at home with an infant, became enraged, and pressed an iron into the child's face, burning her terribly. The child was able to say who had done it, and there were no reasons to believe the child was protecting anyone. So, in those cases, even if the person would likely come to court, and has no record or likelihood of doing in again before trial, still detention is required. Wrongful detention occurs regularly in Canada, because Justices of the Peace might face public complaint if they let someone out and he/she commits further offences. But keeping people in almost never gives rise to complaint from the public.
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Crippled_Newsie
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posted 21 October 2005 04:52 PM
Details of the intensity of the attack:BBC: quote: A gay barman murdered on Clapham Common was beaten so severely he could not be recognised by his own family, Scotland Yard has revealed. Jody Dobrowski, 24, was identified by his fingerprints after the attack in south-west London on Saturday night, which police believe was homophobic. Two white men, aged in their 20s, are being hunted by police. ... Det Ch Insp Nick Scola said: "This was a brutal attack which left Jody's face so badly injured that he could not be identified visually, even by those who knew and loved him the most. ... Detectives are examining whether there is a link between Mr Dobrowski's murder and a series of homophobic attacks in the area.
From: It's all about the thumpa thumpa. | Registered: Oct 2004
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Crippled_Newsie
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posted 24 March 2006 11:23 AM
Two More Attacks on Clapham Common quote: A GAY-BASH thug beat one man unconscious and tried to strangle another - yards from the scene of an alleged homophobic murder.One victim, a 40-year-old gay man, was punched and kicked to the floor, suffering a broken leg and severe facial injuries. Another, aged 29, was throttled with his own scarf when he was set upon in the same secluded spot on cruising haunt Clapham Common. Both were attacked in a wooded area yards from where gay barman Jody Dobrowski, 24, was allegedly battered to death in October ... The first man was set upon at 4am after approaching the thug and suggesting he was gay. He flew into a rage and lashed out with kicks and punches, beating his victim unconscious and breaking his right leg. ... Detectives believe the gay basher... may have tried to strangle another man in the same secluded spot earlier that night.
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