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Jerry West
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posted 15 February 2007 04:05 PM      Profile for Jerry West   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Killers in the Classroom

By Dr. June Scorza Terpstra

02/15/07 "ICH " -- -- During a heated debate in a class I teach on social justice, several US Marines who had done tours in Iraq told me that they had "sacrificed" by “serving” in Iraq so that I could enjoy the freedom to teach in the USA. Parroting their master’s slogan about “fighting over there so we don’t have to fight over here”, these students proudly proclaimed that they terrorized and killed defenseless Iraqis. They intimated that their Arab victims are nothing more to them than collateral damage, incidental to their receipt of some money and an education....


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Khimia
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posted 15 February 2007 05:22 PM      Profile for Khimia     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
She is a fool who deserves to be pilloried.
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Michelle
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posted 15 February 2007 06:39 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Why are you here? You obviously don't respect the mandate of this discussion forum. What do you get out of this? Do you get off on playing "bait the lefty"?
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Jerry West
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posted 15 February 2007 07:17 PM      Profile for Jerry West   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:

Khimia:
She is a fool who deserves to be pilloried.

I would be interested in hearing an informed and intellectually sound argument as to why that is so.


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oreobw
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posted 15 February 2007 07:41 PM      Profile for oreobw     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The lady certainly has strong opinions but those soldiers, assuming her article is not invented or contrived for effect, are almost unbeliveable.

I have met a lot of Americans over the years and none sounded like these soldiers.


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Stargazer
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posted 15 February 2007 07:43 PM      Profile for Stargazer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Waste of time. This guy has no intention of spewing anything but the most inane comments.

Anyways, about the article. Nice to see just how the army dehumanizes people - the soldiers and their victims. I wonder what the difference is between these types and the war resisters. Perhaps a conscience?


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posted 15 February 2007 08:43 PM      Profile for writer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Not long into my stay in Iraq, I saw $100 in a house. I snapped up the bills and stuffed them in my pocket. A man who was being zipcuffed and led out the door shouted back at me angrily.

"Why are you taking that money? It's not yours."

"This is American money," I told him. "You're not American, and you have no business having it." The money stayed in my pocket.

Jewlery. Money, If it looked good, we helped ourselves.

I stole whatever I wanted in the initial raids, but I stopped doing that after my first few weeks in Iraq. The more uneasy I felt about what we were doing there, the less I wanted to make matters worse. Others in my platoon looted to their hearts' content. One fellow collected jewelry and mailed it home to his wife. Another lugged a television straight out of an Iraqi house. Others took ornate knives, and I saw one soldier make off with a beautiful rug. Who was going to stop us? We were the army of the United States of America, and we would do whatever we pleased.


From The Deserter's Tale, by Joshua Key, who "witnessed the killing of a seven-year-old girl who was scrounging leftover army rations, and watched while dead bodies provided sport for US soldiers."

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Jerry West
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posted 15 February 2007 11:06 PM      Profile for Jerry West   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:

oreobw:
I have met a lot of Americans over the years and none sounded like these soldiers.

Some do, the question is what percentage. Assuming that the article is true, it may not be representative of the majority of people serving in Afghanistan and Iraq.

But, even if it represents a minority there is still the issue of placing people in this position in wars that are needless and ill conceived, and in the case of the Afghan/Iraq war, criminal.

What certainly is true in the story is the point that our soldiers, Canadians and Americans are not now and have not been for a long time sacrificing themselves for our freedoms, at least in the way that the propaganda wants us to believe.

If one considers that our way of life is built on the oppression of others, then yes, oppressing others is supporting our freedoms.

More on this point here:


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