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lagatta
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posted 02 May 2004 07:47 AM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A serious antisemitic act in Eastern France (and I don't mean criticising Israeli policies, but a genuine antisemitic act)... 127 Jewish graves were profanated in a cemetery outside a village near the town of Colmar, seems to "commemorate" the suicide of Hitler on 30 Apri l945. Other than the usual anti-Jewish and pro-Nazi inscriptions, Nazi flags were found nearby. Nasty stuff.
http://www.liberation.fr/page.php?Article=201522

Earlier in the month, both Muslim and Jewish graves were profanated in another cemetery, believe it was a military graveyard.


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skdadl
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posted 02 May 2004 10:24 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Notable that the inscriptions were written in German.

Colmar, interestingly, was one of the places Voltaire stayed and worked while he was still on good terms with Frederick the Great. (Can't quite remember who controlled Alsace at the time.)

Voltaire on Colmar: "a little religious city, full of harrassments, where everybody confesses, everybody hates ..." Plus ca change ...


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skdadl
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posted 02 May 2004 10:26 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, on second thought ... There are some superb denunciations of these vile acts from both local and national leaders in lagatta's link. I didn't mean to smear all of Alsace and Alsatians.
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Tommy_Paine
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posted 02 May 2004 10:54 AM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The desecration of Jewish graves and property both here and in Europe has usually turned out to be the work of adolescent thugs in cases where convictions were made.

The very distrubing fire bombing of the school library in Montreal, however, doesn't fit that mold, but it does fit the M.O. of Christian terrorists if we remember back to the terror campaign against abortion clinics.

Of course, I'm sitting in a vacuum of facts right now, and speculating freely. I'm not attached to any particular list of suspects or causes, just applying Occam's butter knife. There are two events that seemed to have preceeded this latest rash of anti-semetic acts. One was the assasination of the Hamas leader, and the other was the release of the Mel Gibson movie, "The Passion of the Christ."

Given that Islamic places have also been attacked, and given that Islamic thugs traditionally claim responsibility, while Christian thugs traditionally prefer to work in the anonymous dark, I'd say they top the list of suspects at the moment.

Thanks Mel.


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lagatta
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posted 03 May 2004 09:10 AM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Another grave profanation in the same area, of a Protestant/Catholic cemetery, also with Nazi and FN slogans: http://www.ledevoir.com/2004/05/03/53653.html

skdadl, the Alsace wine region is right on the German border. That doesn't mean the nasties were from the German side, lots of people in that border region speak the language of the other side (and Alsatian is a German dialect) but mostly, such hate slogans as "Juden Raus" are often written in German - often with errors, of course - by neo-Nazis in many parts of the world.


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DrConway
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posted 03 May 2004 12:44 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

Do the people who do this ever stop to think how they'd feel if someone desecrated their mother's/grandmother's/uncle's/aunt's grave?


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WingNut
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posted 03 May 2004 02:45 PM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No.
If people, all people, had a greater capacity for empathy, or at the very least utilized the capacity they do have, most everything we do to each other would stop.

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Bacchus
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posted 03 May 2004 03:51 PM      Profile for Bacchus     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Those people always assume that no one would desecrate a grave of one of their relatives because they are not the enemy. "it cant happen to me, im not one of them" is a familar refrain from the oppressive
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Udo
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posted 03 May 2004 05:50 PM      Profile for Udo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sadly in Europe, especially France, they attack our living and desecrate our dead.
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lagatta
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posted 05 May 2004 12:18 AM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What the hell is this "especially France" - every political party in France (except the far-right, depending on whether it hates Jews or Arabs more at the moment) has called for and taken strong action against hateful acts.

Have you ever been to France, Udo? There is a thriving Jewish community there. They are part of France, a very important part.

Anti-semitism is disgusting, but so is "France-bashing". By the way, TWO heads of government in France were Jewish: Léon Blum and Pierre Mendès-France.

That attack on another popular form of racism among the North American right wing out of the way, there has been a desecration of a Jewish cemetery here in Montréal (hope Udo won't say it is because we are French :rolleyes - the usual Nazi slogans and swastikas. Was done with marker pens, so I would suspect it is a "wanabee" crime of the ignorant, not a repeat of the far more serious incident at the Talmud Torah school a bit earlier in the spring.


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