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rasmus
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posted 11 October 2006 08:44 PM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've just tried to make a call about 15 times on Rogers and keep getting the message "all circuits are busy now". What the HELL. The last time I heard this was in India, 8 years ago, where I totally can understand it. I've never heard it from Bell Canada. And it's certainly not an advertised risk of using Rogers. I phoned an operator and apparently for overseas and toll free numbers they get it a lot. Sorry but when have you ever gotten "all circuits are busy" dialing a 1-800 number with Bell Canada? Never.

Sorry Rogers. VOIP is not ready for prime time.


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rasmus
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posted 11 October 2006 08:51 PM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So... apparently, it happens for local area calls as well. I just tried dialing a local call several times. I called an operator. The story is now that it can happen for local calls as well. My only answer is: "wow. that is total shite".
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Michelle
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posted 12 October 2006 03:41 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Huh. I'll have to tell my mother that. She's thinking about doing the VOIP thing. Anything to not have to pay Bell another dime.

I wonder if all VOIP is like that, or just Rogers'?


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Stargazer
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posted 12 October 2006 03:58 AM      Profile for Stargazer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I would advise, based upon personal experience, to stay as far away from any Roger's service as possible. They will chase you down, even when you don't owe them money. They have a new policy now - calling people at home, work or wherever they can to remind you to pay your bills. Doesn't matter if you have never defaulted, they will call. Horrible horrible service and a horrible company. Rogers is a living example of how businesses should be run when you have a virtual monopoly. Screw over the customers - you know they need you.
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Michelle
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posted 12 October 2006 04:04 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah, I don't like Rogers either. I had their high speed internet for a long time, and kept paying their $10 surcharge (for not getting cable television with it) for years. They've stopped doing that now, but they stopped doing it right when I moved to a new place and switched to another internet provider.

They are head-and-shoulders above Bell Canada when it comes to customer support, but that's not saying anything at all, really. And I didn't know they've started a campaign of calling people to "remind" them to pay their bill before it's due. Gross.

What I hate is when Bell or Rogers calls up their customers on a regular basis to try to get them to add services on. I always ask them to take my name off their list of people they call for this reason. The only reason I want to hear from them is if there is a problem with my service, or I call them first and wish to receive a return call. Period.

Anyhow, now I only have Bell for my home line (I use nothing but phone cards for long distance) and as for Rogers - I have nothing with them in my name, but I have Rogers' cable television only because my landlord provides it. So I don't have to deal with them at all anymore.


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posted 12 October 2006 04:14 AM      Profile for Stargazer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
God you are so lucky! I had a Bell phone, with the same number, for quite a few years. It had everything stored on it because I used it like a phone book. After years of good service by Bell I decide to go with Rogers home phone because they were offering a discount on the bundle. So I switch. On June 2nd these fools cut my home phone off (their oversight). I call them up to get it reconnected only to find out they 'losty' my phone nyumber - permanently as in some technical qlich. To this day they are still charging me for the fact they set me up with a new line (unasked for) even though I was moving in a few weeks and absolutely no one could call the new line because no one knew. Right now my cell is blocked. Why? Well they promised me a 100 dollar discount off my new services at my new place and to not charge me with the home phone - both of which are still on my bill and of course no one remembers what the deal they made with me entails. Thus, they cut off my cell until they extort the cash out of me.
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N.R.KISSED
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posted 12 October 2006 09:24 AM      Profile for N.R.KISSED     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm curious as to how John Tory manages to not be associated with the clear hatred that the general public feels towards Rogers.

The neo-con propaganda always goes on endlessly about how wonderful it is to have business leaders in government and how wonderful and efficient business operates as compared to government.

Can the opposition not point out how a business like Rogers operates and ask whether we really want people like this having so much power in our lives?


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posted 12 October 2006 12:23 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ah, Rogers.

Bastards once sent my cable account to a collection agency about a week before the day I specifically told the Rogers rep, over the phone, that I would come into a Rogers payment center and pay my bill.

So, timeline - I get the call, I say I will pay the whole shot in three weeks' time when I get my money. They say OK. Two weeks after that, the account goes to collections and I get a lovecall from them around that time. A week later, I go to the cable center as promised and pay my bill.

At least Shaw is nicer, I'll give them that.


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posted 12 October 2006 12:51 PM      Profile for Stargazer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yesterday I get a bill from Rogers, reminding me that I have 5 days after receiving the letter, to pay the bill. The letter gets to my house yesterday, dated Oct 5th. They cut my cell phone off Oct. 9th. They clearly lied and what pisses me off the most is these assholes will make me pay a reconnection fee for their mistake.

Really, I cannot stand how they get away with this BS.


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posted 12 October 2006 05:28 PM      Profile for EmmaG        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I can't believe that Stargazer is a cellphone user!
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posted 12 October 2006 06:49 PM      Profile for glasstech     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You Southerners are so lucky. We have one cable company and one cell phone supplier. The cell system is so overloaded that calls seldom go through in the middle of the day, most calls go directly to your answering service if you have one. Dropped calls are the norm during the day. Otherwise you are SOL.
Don't bother phoning the CRTC. They don't regulate cell service. They let the competive market regulate the cell companies. Right!
With the canada Winter Games coming next year the rumour is the system is going to be upgraded. I will believe it when I can get a phone call at 4PM.

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Michelle
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posted 25 June 2007 04:37 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh goody, I found a Rogers Sucks So Badly It Hurts thread!

So, Rogers sucks so badly it hurts. I moved recently, and in my old apartment, I had free cable, but in my new one I don't. So I decided to deBell myself (because I hate Bell more than I hate Rogers) and go with Rogers for basic cable, their second-lowest high speed internet, and home phone service.

I moved on June 14th and I booked an appointment with them to install everything that evening between 5-8 p.m. They didn't show up. I called them from a pay phone after waiting around for 3 hours for them, and they said, "Oh, tee hee, we had August 20th down for some reason." I told them, "I told the guy that I HAD to have this stuff hooked up on the day I move - I work from home online and I HAVE to have it available immediately." They told me that they couldn't book another appointment until the Tuesday following. (The 14th was a Thursday, so that would be FIVE DAYS with no phone.)

I was really pissed off, told them this was unacceptable, and they gave me $50 off for my trouble because they really didn't have any appointment available before the Tuesday evening.

Fine. So on Tuesday the 19th, the technician comes by and tells me that he's here to hook up my cable television and internet. I said, "What about my phone?" He says he has no order for phone service, but it's possible that another technician is coming later - sometimes the orders get split between technicians. Fine. He installs my cable and internet. I have a hell of a time trying to install my modem with my laptop and then trying to get my wireless to work because I CAN'T CALL CUSTOMER SERVICE FOR HELP of course. And of course, no one comes by to install my phone.

So I call them the next day and ask what the hell is going on with my phone. They tell me, "We couldn't switch your phone over because your address didn't match the address where the phone is currently hooked up."

I told them, "YES, I KNOW. You told me not to disconnect my phone in my OLD PLACE, and I gave you the ADDRESS OF MY OLD PLACE where it's hooked up. You said if I want to keep my current phone number, I have to leave it hooked up and you'll move the service to my new address." They were all like, ohhhh, I see, well, we'll get it right this time.

I said, "When can you hook my phone up?" He said he didn't have an appointment available until the FOLLOWING MONDAY. I said, "You have to be kidding me. I have to wait another SIX DAYS to get phone service in my home? Did I mention that I have NO PHONE SERVICE at home right now, and I don't own a cell phone? Did I mention that new people are living in my old apartment now, and my phone is still hooked up there? I NEED MY PHONE IMMEDIATELY." He said there was nothing he could do. That was the earliest appointment, Monday, June 25th, in the evening.

Which brings me to tonight! Which is Monday, June 25th! I've been sitting home for three hours, between 5 and 8! I left work an hour early YET AGAIN in order to be here on time for the technician! And the technician DIDN'T SHOW UP AGAIN!

I'm spitting nails at this point. I'm waiting until I calm down before I make the trek out to the payphone to chew someone's head off.


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posted 25 June 2007 06:42 PM      Profile for Stargazer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Shit would I be pissed. Did they show up? Rogers is hands down the worst company ever to deal with. Their customer service is horrible, they don't give a rat's ass about your business, and they'll make sure you life is hell if you complain. I'm completely Rogers free now. Back to Bell with no problem except the stupid way they make you pay for the Internet (online). I've never had a problem with bell my entire life. I don't know why I switched.

Good luck Michelle.


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posted 25 June 2007 07:01 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've had nothing BUT trouble with Bell. Internet, phone, you name it, I hate Bell. Rogers I never really had much of a problem with until now.

No, they didn't show up. They said that they have me scheduled for July 3rd now (they scheduled me before asking!) because there must have been some problem with Bell releasing my phone number. I could cry. Another EIGHT DAYS without telephone service.

I'm thinking about just taking a new phone number. Apparently they can do that sooner, and there's less hassle. I have no doubt that probably Bell is not releasing the number, and that's the problem.


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posted 25 June 2007 07:25 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm in Quebec, we were promised digital phone service here years ago by TELUS, we're still waiting. We'e still stuck with 48 kbps ISP service on dialup.
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posted 25 June 2007 07:47 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Rogers sucks! I'd watch for the "moving fee" and that they don't charge you for the days you're without a phone. What's the moving fee, $50 bucks ?. You might be better off cancelling the old phone account and asking for a new one if there is no first-time hookup fee. Tell'em off! And tell'em you want something knocking off the first bill at the new place for the inconvenience they've caused you. And tell'em Fidel said they suck!@
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posted 26 June 2007 09:19 AM      Profile for kropotkin1951   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Over the years I have had dealings with Telus, Roger's Bell and Shaw. They all suck equally!!!

They adopt each others worst customer "service" ideas. I can't imagine anyone recommending any of them. Unfortunately I still need a phone the internet and a cell. I split them up between the companies now (Telus home, Roger's cell, Shaw cable) so I can swear at all of them in a serial sort of way and never get the sense that I would get better service by switching.


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posted 26 June 2007 09:29 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh, there will be no "moving fee". I'm paying nothing except the regular cost. And not only that, but they're giving me $50, and adding an extra month to their four month $10 off starting bonus.

I've decided to change my phone number so they can do it faster. So I have an appointment tomorrow afternoon between 2 and 5 p.m. If they don't show up tomorrow, after I take an afternoon off to be there, I'm going to be mightily peeved.

The reason they couldn't do it is because Bell kept refusing to release my phone number. So it was probably Bell screwing up. But Rogers screwed up too, several times, so they still suck. But at least they've tried to make it right with a substantial discount. Bell never does, from my experience.


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posted 26 June 2007 11:44 AM      Profile for quelar     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yay! I hate Bell and Rogers too!

So my 'moving' story consists of me finding a place 3 blocks away, when I moved out, I took the modem and cable box with me, plugged it into the new place and it works perfectly (it was on the same switch, so no changes needed).

So I do the good thing, call up Rogers and cancel my 'installation' apointment since I'd done it myself. They tell me "we still have to charge you the $150 moving fee" or whatever the charge was. I tell them "No, you don't have to, I've done it for you." 20 mintues later talking to the supervisor - no need to get angry at the low level phone monkey he says "We have costs associated with moving, we have to tranfer your account (which they didn't) and we have to hold your emails (which I never used)"

My response back.

"You have two options now, you can cancel the moving charge, since you did nothing for it, or you can come by today after 5 because your modem and cable box will be sitting out on the front porch once I get home."

He puts me on hold for 5 minutes.

"Yes sir, we'll be able to reverse the charges, thank you"

Michelle, don't take any crap from them. You CAN get internet elsewhere, threaten to take your business elsewhere.


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posted 26 June 2007 01:42 PM      Profile for Stargazer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Michelle, I don't know so much about that "releasing the phone" line Rogers gave you, because that's pretty much the line they gave me when they 'lost' my phone number forever. I heard that Rogers actually sells these numbers or simply reassigns them immediately. I can't prove this but hoiw strange is it that Rogers always has issues getting Bell to 'release" the phone number?

For your amusement:

I Hate Rogers


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posted 26 June 2007 03:21 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Actually, I worked for a calling card company that sold long distance plans on people's home phones (e.g. getting people to switch to us from Bell or other providers) and I was the one responsible for a while for putting through the orders to switch people's lines over. And it's true - Bell always tried to screw us every which way on it. They'll do anything not to have to release a number - after all, it's not in their best interests to do so.

Who benefits if I get so pissed off at Rogers being unable to switch my line that I decide, screw it, I'm staying with Bell? Certainly not Rogers.

But hey, I can concede that they're both screw ups.

P.S. I LOVE that site! That's so funny. I should make one for Bell. I hate them both now! I'm totally putting one of those links on my blog.

[ 26 June 2007: Message edited by: Michelle ]


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