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Geneva
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posted 22 October 2007 12:41 AM      Profile for Geneva     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
storm-damaged state gives the first real political breakthrough for Indian-Americans
-- a new Republican constituency? :
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/22/us/22louisiana.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

Mr. Jindal offered something few others could to a state that is on its knees. Louisiana is more desperate than ever, a place where the glaring needs of its citizens evidently trumped considerations of race and ethnicity.

He has taken an already lengthy public policy résumé, mostly in health care, along with sterling educational credits (Brown University and Oxford, as a Rhodes Scholar) and come back home instead of using his credentials as a ticket to escape, as many other accomplished Louisianans do.

Louisiana — largely impoverished, undereducated and unhealthy — has been left behind by whatever national prosperity has accrued in recent decades. Hurricane Katrina only knocked it back further. Mr. Jindal, outside the Louisiana mainstream but within the well-to-do 21st-century American one, seemed to offer a ticket to the latter.

Mr. Jindal is a technocrat and a Roman Catholic convert, a policy aficionado well-versed in free-market solutions to the crisis in health insurance and a proponent of “intelligent design” as an alternative theory to evolution, suggesting it may be appropriate in school science classes.


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josh
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posted 22 October 2007 06:51 AM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Louisiana was a state on the precipice of tipping to the Republicans even before Katrina. The depopulation effects of Katrina pushed it over.

Jindal's a nutjob.


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I AM WOMAN
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posted 22 October 2007 07:17 AM      Profile for I AM WOMAN     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Louisiana has been a red state for a while now. I think it's a great sign of progress that an Indian American can win a statewide election though. I think it sends a strong message that racial bigotry is in decline.
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posted 22 October 2007 07:22 AM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
As recently as 2004, both of Louisiana's senators and its governor were Democrats. Now, only one senator is a Democrat.
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True, but in 5 of the last 7 Presidential elections (including the last two) the state has voted Republican. And it weren't for Ross Perot in 92 & 96 it would probably be 7 of the last 7.
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Actually, Clinton won the state by healthy margins both times. In any event, southern states had been voting Republican for president and Democratic for state and other federal races for years. Only since the mid-1990s has the trend been all Republican. Louisiana has been late in catching up to the other deep south states.
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posted 22 October 2007 11:03 AM      Profile for I AM WOMAN     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by josh:
Actually, Clinton won the state by healthy margins both times.

In 1992 Clinton won 45% (Bush Sr, 41% & Perot 12%)of the popular vote in Louisiana and in 1996 he (Clinton) won 52% (Dole 40% and Perot 7%). When you factor in Perot's votes came overwhelmingly from Republicans, Clinton's margins of victory are not what I would call "healthy".

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posted 23 October 2007 09:46 AM      Profile for kropotkin1951   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by I AM WOMAN:
Louisiana has been a red state for a while now. I think it's a great sign of progress that an Indian American can win a statewide election though. I think it sends a strong message that racial bigotry is in decline.
As long as he is spewing right wing rhetoric he can be elected. I wouldn't want to live in a country lead by him and Condie Rice and their elections to me are of the Uncle Tom variety and ergo not a breakthrough for anti-racism but the opposite. The free market system he advocates is in fact the ultimate colonial system and will lead to further marginalization of the poorest people most of whom are POC.

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posted 23 October 2007 11:13 AM      Profile for ceti     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
He's a convert, which should put pad to all those wealthy Indian Americans cheering him on as they aren't so keen on proselytizing. Clash of fundamentalisms, or congruence? Hmmm...
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posted 23 October 2007 11:44 AM      Profile for I AM WOMAN     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by kropotkin1951:
I wouldn't want to live in a country lead by him and Condie Rice and their elections to me are of the Uncle Tom variety and ergo not a breakthrough for anti-racism but the opposite.

I think it's a little racist to throw the "Uncle Tom" insult out there. I think criticizing their policies is fair game but non-white people are entitled to their viewpoint too. To assume that all people of color should think the same way because of a common skin color is just another form of bigotry.


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posted 23 October 2007 02:58 PM      Profile for kropotkin1951   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by I AM WOMAN:

I think it's a little racist to throw the "Uncle Tom" insult out there. I think criticizing their policies is fair game but non-white people are entitled to their viewpoint too. To assume that all people of color should think the same way because of a common skin color is just another form of bigotry.



This is a progressive board I routinely hurl vitrol at right wing assholes regardless of race religion or anything else.

I have no expectation that all non-whites should think alike so go shoot at some other straw man. I reserve the right however to hold in complete distain all people regardless of their personal characteristics who preach the neo-con theology of the Invisible Hand.

You are right that Uncle Tom was a little misplaced I should have compared him to the Indian Princes who collaberated with the British. I wouldn't want them in charge either. His type of sycophant has always attached itself to the rich and powerful and adopted their ideology. I for one don't see anything to celebrate.


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posted 23 October 2007 03:03 PM      Profile for I AM WOMAN     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I loath the neo-cons as well. I just think it's more civil to criticize people for what they do without bringing race or ethnicity into the mix.
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posted 23 October 2007 03:10 PM      Profile for kropotkin1951   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by I AM WOMAN:
I loath the neo-cons as well. I just think it's more civil to criticize people for what they do without bringing race or ethnicity into the mix.

quote:
Louisiana has been a red state for a while now. I think it's a great sign of progress that an Indian American can win a statewide election though. I think it sends a strong message that racial bigotry is in decline.
Then just don't start it. I reacted to your claim of its strong anti-racism message.

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I think it does send a strong anti-racism message. For a non-white person to get elected in the south is a sign of real progress in my opinion.
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posted 23 October 2007 03:23 PM      Profile for kropotkin1951   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
One Voice
Wake me when more people like these get elected and I will toast a glass to progress in the evil empire.

Edited to add quotes:

quote:
We seek out viable candidates who lead the fight for:

A robust economy that provides every working family with a living wage;

A health care system that guarantees affordable, high quality care to all Americans;

Education policies that will enable our schools to bring out the highest potential in every student and to ensure that America's great public universities can once again flourish;

A progressive tax system that is fair to working men and women;

Policies that defend the constitution and the civil liberties of all Americans;

Policies that ensure civil and human rights and stand as a model for other nations;

Defense policies that protect the United States while fostering global peace and security;

A fully-funded, safe, and orderly redeployment of American troops from Iraq;

Environmental policies that preserve our precious natural heritage for the benefit of future generations; and

Energy policies that reduce our dependence upon fossil fuels and that promote renewable methods of energy production.

While Barbara Lee was once a lone voice in Congress, today there are millions of Americans who stand with her in calling for change, and One Voice is designed to bring these voices together to make sure they are heard loud and clear.


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posted 23 October 2007 03:34 PM      Profile for I AM WOMAN     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Barbara Lee represents Berkeley, CA, probably the most liberal city in the country. Theres probably not another district in the U.S that would elect someone as left leaning as her.

Just out of curiosity, do you live in the U.S kropotkin ?


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posted 23 October 2007 04:00 PM      Profile for kropotkin1951   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I know where she lives but I was pointing out that there are left voices in your country and they should be celebrated on a progressive forum not some neo-con who you are apparently enamoured of strickly because of his race. Seems like a funny reason to celebrate a political win, not on the basis of his beliefs but because of his race.

A right wing asshole is a right wing asshole is a right wing asshole is a right wing asshole. Did I mentions his race is unimportant because he is a right wing asshole and I think he deserves vilification not celebration for being a neo-con true believer.


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posted 23 October 2007 04:09 PM      Profile for I AM WOMAN     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by kropotkin1951:
"....not some neo-con who you are apparently enamoured of strickly because of his race. Seems like a funny reason to celebrate a political win, not on the basis of his beliefs but because of his race.

I'm enamored of him ?

Do you always just make stuff up and and attribute it to people you don't know ?


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quote:
Originally posted by I AM WOMAN:
Louisiana has been a red state for a while now. I think it's a great sign of progress that an Indian American can win a statewide election though. I think it sends a strong message that racial bigotry is in decline.

Sorry I thought this was indicative of being enamoured. You know the language that says this a "GREAT SIGN OF PROGRESS". My apologies if you are not enamoured but merely think that electing a POC who is a toady to the empire is a good thing.

The Chicago School that he so gleefully represents is the most repressive and anti-democratic theology on the planet and that is why I can't stand to hear how electing more of this type is in anyway a "GREAT SIGN OF PROGRESS." It is a lot like celebrating Maggies time in power because she was a woman. Not something I would do.


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