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Cougyr
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posted 06 February 2006 11:39 AM      Profile for Cougyr     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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The nation's largest telephone and cable companies are crafting an alarming set of strategies that would transform the free, open and nondiscriminatory Internet of today to a privately run and branded service that would charge a fee for virtually everything we do online.

Verizon, Comcast, Bell South and other communications giants are developing strategies that would track and store information on our every move in cyberspace in a vast data-collection and marketing system, the scope of which could rival the National Security Agency.

According to white papers now being circulated in the cable, telephone and telecommunications industries, those with the deepest pockets -- corporations, special-interest groups and major advertisers -- would get preferred treatment. Content from these providers would have first priority on our computer and television screens, while information seen as undesirable, such as peer-to-peer communications, could be relegated to a slow lane or simply shut out.


Jeffrey Chester

The whole point of regulating utilities is to benefit everybody. It's time we chain them up again.


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skeptikool
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posted 06 February 2006 12:48 PM      Profile for skeptikool        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
An excellent article, Cougyr - and a dire warning.

If Chester did not include Canadians in his concluding chapter's concerns, I'm sure that we should - particulatly with the just-elected Bush-friendly PM Harper:

quote:
If Americans are to succeed in designing an equitable digital destiny for themselves, they must mount an intensive opposition similar to the successful challenges to the FCC's media ownership rules in 2003. Without such a public outcry to rein in the GOP's corporate-driven agenda, it is likely that even many of the Democrats who rallied against further consolidation will be "tamed" by the well-funded lobbying campaigns of the powerful phone and cable industry.

Jeffrey Chester is executive director of the Center for Digital Democracy (www.democraticmedia.org).



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Yukoner
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posted 06 February 2006 01:36 PM      Profile for Yukoner   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Also, Google has quietly been buying up dark fibre* all over the globe it is thought their ultimate plan is to create a 'new' internet (infrastructure) that they would have complete control over.

If it has to happen I would rather see a company like Google in control rather than a telephone company facing extinction.


*Dark Fibre is fibre optic cable that has already been placed into the ground and is currently not in use. The cost of installing fibre is fairly expensive but installing extra strands doesn't increase the cost significantly....these 'extra strands' can provide redundancy but also can generate revenue as the owners can lease bandwidth to customers.


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Yukoner
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posted 06 February 2006 01:38 PM      Profile for Yukoner   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Add to above: Some ISPs (AOL and Yahoo) are getting ready to charge their customers to send emails to help (ha!) stop spammers.
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Gir Draxon
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posted 06 February 2006 02:02 PM      Profile for Gir Draxon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I also heard that some free email providers, such as Yahoo! are going to charge companies an extra fee so that their spam can be made immune to the filters.

All of this is lunacy. Is there no way that the useful Internet can be protected?!? I do a lot of spyware removal... but between all these things, it looks like the big ISPs are conspiring to remake the net... the spywarenet. Will information become rogue traffic on the advertising superhighway?


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skeptikool
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posted 06 February 2006 04:15 PM      Profile for skeptikool        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
With many fearful of the power that this medium affords Joe and Jill Sixpack, particularly, we must be vigilant against restrictions introduced under various guises.

Some may trust government to guard our interests; I'm not so confident since it is too frequently one feeling threatened. And let's not forget the economic interesrs of government in its loss of millions of dollars-worth postal services, with Net-users abandonment of stamped mail - other than the usual Christmas mailing.

In the creeping fascism, that the U.S. Administration seems to have adopted, I see the keyboard becoming the book, in the novel Farenheit 451.


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posted 07 February 2006 08:09 PM      Profile for radiorahim     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It may become necessary in future to create a new "people's" internet, by-passing all the corporate schlock and corporate control.

Fortunately, with alot of new open source technology coming on stream its becoming much cheaper for DIY'ers to do stuff.

What the telcos and cable companies may find is that no one wants to use their closed corporate controlled versions of the internet.


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Mr. Anonymous
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posted 08 February 2006 01:36 AM      Profile for Mr. Anonymous     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Yukoner:
Also, Google has quietly been buying up dark fibre* all over the globe it is thought their ultimate plan is to create a 'new' internet (infrastructure) that they would have complete control over.

If it has to happen I would rather see a company like Google in control rather than a telephone company facing extinction.


Power has corrupted greater entities than Google. I would prefer a more even distribution, legislated if necessary.

Anti-trust laws weren't invented for nothing...


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Cougyr
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posted 08 February 2006 02:07 AM      Profile for Cougyr     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by radiorahim:
It may become necessary in future to create a new "people's" internet, by-passing all the corporate schlock and corporate control.

Hey, don't you remember the old bulletin boards? Some of them were quite large. How about the usenets? (or news nets, if you prefer) The Internet was most fun before the World Wide Web (www), primarily because it was bad form to advertise for commercial gain. I remember bumping up to a 14.4 modem for ultimate speed! Anyway, you might be right.


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posted 08 February 2006 02:43 AM      Profile for m0nkyman   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Those of us on Shaw are already beginning to see the first vestiges of this. They are using traffic shaping to limit bittorrent. Traffic on the port that bittorrent uses is restricted to a much lower throughput than traffic on port 80, aka http aka wwww stuff. You think that might have something to do with pressure from copyright holders?
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Yukoner
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posted 08 February 2006 03:48 AM      Profile for Yukoner   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by m0nkyman:
Traffic on the port that bittorrent uses is restricted to a much lower throughput than traffic on port 80, aka http aka wwww stuff. You think that might have something to do with pressure from copyright holders?


In all honesty it probably has more to do with cost. Shaw is buying their bandwidth from somewhere and are most likely get charge a monthy 'bit rate' from thier supplier. It is no secret that the internet is becoming more media rich (and bandwith dependant) as convergance approaches. One option for Shaw (and other ISPs) would be to dump the additional cost on to consumers which wouldn't be very popular and would drive people to the competiton, so they can throttle the users who are hogging the bandwidth by traffic shaping and port blocking. That way everyone is happy, with the exception of the few who are trying to download 5 million mp3s or the latest epiosode of 24 via a torrent.

Many ISP (mostly those who have monopolies) like mine are already charing bit rate. Their ADSL has 3 tiers $39, $59 and $79 for 2, 10 and 20 GB monthy traffic.....go over and pay $10/GB. I hate 'em.


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Heavy Sharper
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posted 13 February 2006 11:17 AM      Profile for Heavy Sharper        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Port throttling:

Should be banned like regional lock-outs and amusement park/arena price gouging.


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posted 13 February 2006 11:45 AM      Profile for No Yards   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Try setting your bittorrent port to 1720 ... supposedly many ISP don't throttle this port because it's the default VoIP port.

It works for me, but since I don't do a lot of torrent downloads and have a rogers 108Gb download account they may not be that interested in stopping me from using what I paid for (although they did throttle the default bittorrent port ... down to 1 or 2Kbs at best ... 1720 I get 200+Kbs on the good torrents.

The ultimate solution for this corporate censoring of the Internet will probably come from a better functioning freenet or similar project, which is more or less untraceable and uncontrollable.


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Heavy Sharper
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posted 13 February 2006 10:26 PM      Profile for Heavy Sharper        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have Sympatico, so I don't personally have to deal with me: It just annoys the fuck out of me that the Internet is rapidly becoming more and more restrictive.
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asterlake
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posted 13 February 2006 10:36 PM      Profile for asterlake        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Heavy Sharper:
I have Sympatico, so I don't personally have to deal with me: It just annoys the fuck out of me that the Internet is rapidly becoming more and more restrictive.

My Internet is fast and reliable. Never been better. I don't remeber the last time it become slow or wasn't working. A couple years back it would be down a few times a week.


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Cougyr
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posted 13 February 2006 11:02 PM      Profile for Cougyr     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by asterlake:
My Internet is fast and reliable.

So's mine. Linux helps; as does a lean system.

The commercialism of the www is another thing. Yes, I get annoyed too; particularly when searching.


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posted 14 February 2006 01:11 AM      Profile for radiorahim     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Hey, don't you remember the old bulletin boards? Some of them were quite large. How about the usenets? (or news nets, if you prefer)

Oh yes they were great fun. I remember back in the early 1990's the old "Toronto Computes" newspaper used to publish two full pages of BBS phone listings several times a year.

Some were connected to Usenet and I remember Fidonet. Most of the BBS's were run out of some computer geek's basement on a spare 286.

I used to use amateur radio packet mail alot too back then. Had world-wide e-mail...as long as the other person was a licensed amateur radio operator. It used AX25 instead of TCP/IP. There's still alot of that software in the Debian repositories.

I understand that with some new open source software called Asterisk it's possible to build PBX's really cheap...and of course there's lots of stuff that could be done with Wi-Fi. Perhaps some community groups could get together and rent some satellite time and then you can by-pass the "commercial" internet.

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or the latest epiosode of 24 via a torrent.


Nahh...only "Battlestar Galactica" because the Space Channel is 12 episodes behind the Sci-Fi Channel south of the border


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Michael Watkins
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posted 14 February 2006 08:50 AM      Profile for Michael Watkins   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
AX25?

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From: Vancouver Kingway - Democracy In Peril | Registered: Dec 2005  |  IP: Logged
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posted 15 February 2006 03:13 PM      Profile for 2 ponies   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This is a fascinating thread. I learned more here in the last 5 minutes than I have in the last 5 days at work!!

Keep information alive and free people. I'd love to see some "peoplenets" starting up however it's possible. I'd even donate money to non-profit corps designed to keep information out of the sole-domain of corporations.


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Cougyr
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posted 15 February 2006 05:43 PM      Profile for Cougyr     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, 2 ponies, the Net pretty much functioned as "peoplenets" before the Web. It was really held back by band width, thus most of the Net consisted of text. Decoding pictures was a real pain. In spite of the low band width, some of the Net was fast. The old Gopher system could put you around the world in a matter of seconds.

We have been seduced into eye candy, which sucks up resources (both internal and external) like a sponge. Computers can function quite well without it.


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Michael Watkins
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posted 15 February 2006 05:49 PM      Profile for Michael Watkins   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I still remember crowding around an X Terminal, looking at the first functional graphical http browser, scratching my head and thinking "who in the world would want this?" ... and then going back to gopher / usenet / ftp etc.

Figured it out eventually


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