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lagatta
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posted 29 March 2006 06:35 AM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm starting up a new thread, because the other one was getting too long, and a bit off topic. Starting it up with some more images of yesterday's movement, one of the largest in the entire postwar history of France! Some images of 28 March demos in France.

In the Guardian: Mass protests in France.

Declinology a Libération editor in the Guardian.

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posted 29 March 2006 07:10 AM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here is a slideshow on the 28 March demos in Paris.
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posted 29 March 2006 07:20 AM      Profile for goyanamasu     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks lagatta. Some nice pics from home hahaha.

That one with the PCF march: isn't that an anarchist in the foreground? Looks like a not-too-subtle putdown of the PCF by the photographer to me.

I know, I 'read' photographs. Not everybody does. I recommend it, however, and think it gives insight into where the wrag Liberation is coming from, don't you?


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posted 29 March 2006 09:18 AM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Libération used to be a kind of "new Left" publication, decades ago. It is rather opportunistic actually, and got heavily into tripping on the computer revolution and a trendy consumerist orientation. But yes, they would see the PCF as rather "ringard".

As for Nouvel Observateur, it is closer to the PS, but I link to their journal permanent a lot simply because it is constantly updated. Here from Nouvel Obs, a large gallery of photos and videos including newspaper headlines from all around Europe.


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posted 29 March 2006 09:59 AM      Profile for goyanamasu     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Nouvel Observateur posts photos from readers, with quite a large selection; very interactive.

Pro-PS, new left or internationalist, every journal I know from France sees la Patrie as the nombril du monde. Not similar to Canadians.
In Can classrooms (and CBC I'd say) since the 1980s, as voice of the damned just described his high school social studies unit, we get another mix:

quote:
If I had to speculate about what ideology, if any was being promoted, I'd guess it was some sort of liberal "middle of the road" internationalist Keynesianism.

My reading of Guardian's piece by the Liberation staffer is as a dodge of any outsider's view that the French nation is in free-fall. He warns us that such fatalism is the fodder the Right is trying to feed us. Not very subtle, sort of thread drift, not worth printing it, but the Guardian Unlimited did.

Did anyone notice? Nouvel Obs offer the instant creation of a personal blog hosted by their server? Everybody online seems on the same track of Net interactivity. BBC certainly is. Once I sent a letter to the editor and they called me long-distance to be on a radio talk show. Were falling behind, Canada, locking out readers for a bit of spare change and their credit card numbers.


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posted 29 March 2006 10:08 AM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A quibble, goyanamasu. The Libération editor is named Agnès Poirier - definitely a she. Not an ambiguous name like Dominique.
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posted 29 March 2006 10:16 AM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Labourstart dossier on current events in France
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posted 29 March 2006 10:42 AM      Profile for goyanamasu     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
lagatta - you are putting out the links to the news today. Thank you. It makes me lazy. Sorry about Agnès's name. She's not the great internationalist her namesake, Agnes Smedley was though.
As I read through the reports, I'll try to keep in mind that the anarchist 300 and the beer can throwing 1,000 + are both men and women. It would be brainwashed to visualise any other way.
I detect a certain manner to the chants one crowd shouted in Paris last night that makes me think some of our babble crowd were involved:

]Agence France-Presse

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Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy, a presidential hopeful who has contested the employment law introduced by his rival Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin, went to the Place de la Republic to show support to riot police.

He was met with shouts of "Sarkozy resign!" and "Sarkozy, f**k your mother!" from groups of youths.

Mr Sarkozy, who riled rioters with his aggressive stance during violence in November 2005 in high-immigrant Paris suburbs plagued by unemployment, urged police to arrest as many troublemakers as possible.

At least one million people, by police estimate, participated in marches nationwide against the labour law, which was created to encourage companies to hire workers aged under 26 but also makes it easier to fire them.


Agnes Smedley as a teen. Lots more photos HERE.


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posted 29 March 2006 11:53 AM      Profile for goyanamasu     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This, I see AT LAST, is the CONTINUATION of the other thread on France in the throes of an uprising.
Please carry on. It couldn't be more timely . . .

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posted 30 March 2006 12:10 AM      Profile for radiorahim     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here's a short Q&A from the BBC on the CPE:


BBC Q&A on the CPE


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goyanamasu
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posted 30 March 2006 04:04 AM      Profile for goyanamasu     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks radiorahim for the BBC link. Here's what CPE means in French:

The law creating the First Employment Contract (Contrat Premiere Embauche or CPE) was passed by parliament as part of a broader bill on equal opportunities which will come into effect in April.

The CPE is a new work contract for under-26s with a two-year trial period. In that period, employers can terminate the contract without having to offer an explanation or give prior warning. For other employees, the trial period is usually 1-3 months.
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I detest initialisms, letter strings, because they give me problems. In this thread, CPE should be clear. As you know, CPE also stands for daycare places under the Quebec gov't centres de petite enfance and Charest is moving ahead with cutbacks in daycare: a very big issue here for us. So seeing CPE anywhere I think of daycare cutbacks first, France second.

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posted 30 March 2006 06:54 AM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, this has been the subject of much mirth, when I tell our friends in France what a struggle we've been waging for the CPE and that a lot of people have pro-CPE stickers on doors and cars...

But after all, we are both fighting pour des acquis sociaux which the neoliberals are trying to strip away...

Funny, the CPE would leave young French workers with no more employment rights ... than any workers in Québec ... and I fear our employment standards act (Loi sur les normes du travail) is among the strongest in North America. Just a sign of how few rights workers have on this continent, though I know some people, even on this board, seem happy about that.

The problem here is where can they go now in France - I doubt they can get a much bigger turnout. Oh well, in any case, I'll keep everyone posted.


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posted 30 March 2006 08:31 AM      Profile for radiorahim     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Radio France Internationale - press review in English
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posted 30 March 2006 02:00 PM      Profile for libertarian        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Constitutional panel approves law:
http://tinyurl.com/z8ved

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posted 30 March 2006 03:23 PM      Profile for radiorahim     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
International Herald-Tribune article
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/Drift

There was some talk about the US debt on the last thread. To clarify where the US debt is at, may I suggest this.

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NEW YORK (AFP) - Tick, 20,000 dollars, tock, another 20,000 dollars.

So rapid is the rise of the US national debt, that the last four digits of a giant digital signboard counting the moving total near New York's Times Square move in seemingly random increments as they struggle to keep pace.

The national debt clock, as it is known, is a big clock. A spot-check last week showed a readout of 8.3 trillion -- or more precisely 8,310,200,545,702 -- dollars ... and counting.

But it's not big enough.

Sometime in the next two years, the total amount of US government borrowing is going to break through the 10-trillion-dollar mark and, lacking space for the extra digit such a figure would require, the clock is in danger of running itself into obsolescence.

The clock's owner, real estate developer Douglas Durst, knew such a problem could arise but hadn't counted on it so soon.

"We really expected it to be quite some time," Durst told AFP. "But now, with the pace of debt growth only increasing, we're looking at maybe two years and certainly before President (George W.) Bush leaves office in 2009."

...

Last week, the "family share" readout on the clock stood some loose change short of 90,000 dollars.


03/27/2006 21:23


Source: Netscape News with CNN


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French Students and Workers are Right

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The idea that labor protections are the cause of European unemployment is part of an overall myth that Europeans would benefit from a more American-style economy. The U.S. economy is said to be more competitive, yet we are running a record trade deficit of more than 6 percent of GDP, and the European Union is running a trade surplus. The U.S. economy is supposedly more dynamic, but French productivity is actually higher than ours. ... French students and workers seem to have a better understanding of these economic issues than their political leaders. Hopefully, the wisdom of the crowd will prevail.

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posted 31 March 2006 06:42 PM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm actually a bit surprised to see this.
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goyanamasu
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posted 31 March 2006 11:08 PM      Profile for goyanamasu     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sven, why are you surprised by that? Serious.
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quote:
Originally posted by goyanamasu:
Sven, why are you surprised by that? Serious.

I thought the government would fold under the protests. One way or another, if the vast majority want the law eliminated, it's not going to last (so, why bother implement it in the first place?).


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Sven: "I thought the government would fold under the protests. One way or another, if the vast majority want the law eliminated, it's not going to last (so, why bother implement it in the first place?)."
Thanks for answering. My retort: the French (especially not Chirac) are not pragmatic. I was taught that in school. Now we're getting our object lesson in what this mean I guess.

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quote:
Originally posted by Sven:

I thought the government would fold under the protests. One way or another, if the vast majority want the law eliminated, it's not going to last (so, why bother implement it in the first place?).


Why not repeal Taft-Hartley in the U.S. and let the invisible hand replace the heavy hand of state intervention working on behalf of the filthy rich?.


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quote:
Originally posted by goyanamasu:
My retort: the French (especially not Chirac) are not pragmatic. I was taught that in school. Now we're getting our object lesson in what this mean I guess.

Well, generalizations like that are often dangerous. That being said, I've normally viewed the French has being very pragmatic (e.g., "We're not going to push Saddam hard becausee our companies are making a lot of money doing business with him", or that kind of thing).


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With such high unemployment rates, especially among the young, something will have to be done.
- Overall unemployment rate 9.6%
- Under-25 unemployment rate 22.2%
(As of Feb-06, see http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000085&sid=a5bqQwWrLR_o&refer=europe)

If CPE is not a good reform, what can be done instead?


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Sven. I agree about the trap stereotypes pose. Like GWB being a cowboy. The poor reflection that gives on real cowboys!

If trouble broke out in Mexico and the matter was not resolved immediately, the stereotypical image some would drag out is that this is a Mexican stand-off.

One image of France that sticks in my head is from the general strike, in 1937 I believe it was. Many labour reforms flowed from this action and were revived a little more than 10 years after.

It seems natural to me that the French syndicats attempt to make enough of a struggle over CPE that it does look like a plebiscite in the streets for job security.

We can cherry-pick stereotypes for our own purposes as well as against them.


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quote:
Originally posted by Radical Progressive:
With such high unemployment rates, especially among the young, something will have to be done.
- Overall unemployment rate 9.6%
- Under-25 unemployment rate 22.2%

But Newfoundland has 20 percent youth unemployment, and they can't blame unions or the NDP out there. The reason for "lower" U rates in North America is "flexible" labour markets and the acceptance of higher rates of poverty. It's more difficult for workers to qualify as unemployed in North America since the 1980's after conservative and liberal governments basically copied the USian model. So like the American's, we tend to want to hide our unemployment and poverty behind bullshit statistics and outright lies about full-time payroll job creation since FTA. IOW's, they can fool the typical conservative and liberal voters, but they can't fool the left.


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quote:
Originally posted by Fidel:

But Newfoundland has 20 percent youth unemployment, and they can't blame unions or the NDP out there. The reason for "lower" U rates in North America is "flexible" labour markets and the acceptance of higher rates of poverty. It's more difficult for workers to qualify as unemployed in North America since the 1980's after conservative and liberal governments basically copied the USian model. So like the American's, we tend to want to hide our unemployment and poverty behind bullshit statistics and outright lies about full-time payroll job creation since FTA. IOW's, they can fool the typical conservative and liberal voters, but they can't fool the left.


Too true.
I mean, what about people with no fixed address, or in prisons, or working only several months of the year (like some fishermen out here)

Statistics, statistics...guaranteed the real unemployment rate, the one that only includes liveable wages, is double or triple the official figure here in N.A.

Then again markets are all about confidence, so I don't understand why the Europeans don't use our models for determining unemployment rates; at least we'd be able to actually compare numbers with numbers...


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The protests have continued on the 4 April day of action but I doubt the protest movement - or the government for that matter - can keep up the stamina for long.
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A little update:

Yesterday, another million people went out on the streets to protest against the controversial law.
Clashes with the police have taken place (again!), some 30 people were arrested (again!).

When will the French government realize (the bulk of) it's people do not agree with this law...?!


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quote:
Originally posted by Clog-boy:
A little update:

When will the French government realize (the bulk of) it's people do not agree with this law...?!


Everything I read in La Presse yesterday says the French president and councils are backing down. Did anyone else see the nasty police actions (photos)? Not only cops dressed in civvies, but they look just like student rads.


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FRENCH MOVEMENT WINS!!!!!!

The government has backed down across the line, and talks of introducing other measures to fight youth unemployment (without attacking job security - at least not now).

bbc story

C'est fait, le CPE est mort Libération

Chirac scraps jobs law

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Woohoo! People Power! What good news.
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In other news, Dominique de Villepin has resigned as French prime minister, citing the need to devote more time to his day job as head of the management committee of the online journal of not-so-radical opinion rabble.ca.
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This is fantastic news.

Someone was citing this strike to me the other day to support their opinion that strikes were inutile. What a great start to the day.

Edited to add: Well, it was before I read the "Moderator News" thread. So much for labour victories.

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skdadl, I'm sure de Villepin writes better prose than that dreadful management letter, even in English. The protest was about ATTACKS ON JOB SECURITY and the right to SACK WORKERS WITHOUT DUE CAUSE before a two-year period on the job. Not to mention a five-year period.

God, I'd have so much to post on this wonderful victory for the working class against all the management-government bullshit about flexibility, the new conditions in the global economy (aka race to the bottom) and company, but now we have another example of the same bullshit - in house.


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lagatta, I truly am very glad for the French students and workers - it is so heartening, or it should be, to workers world-wide.

Jim Stanford has a good column in this a.m.'s Globe and Mail about how healthy the French attitude to labour politics is.

Shame we should turn up this morning to find such a lack of labour consciousness in the management of this very site.


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PS: You have to click through the Google News link to that column every time; you will not be able to pass on the direct link to anyone else.
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On the weekend, I was visiting relatives with a subscription to Time magazine (the supposedly Canadian edition). I read an article in it by Charles Krauthammer that really annoyed me. Here's the beginning of it, but I sure wouldn't pay a buck ninety-nine to read the rest of it.

Basically, he was saying in it that French youth were fighting for the right to never ever be fired, no matter what, and for their first job to be their job for life. Of course, I realized that he's a right-wing pundit and this is to be expected, that he should actually misrepresent the views of his opponents and then shoot them down. But it was so blatant! He didn't even mention that the law was proposing to treat workers under 26 differently than other workers in that they should be allowed to be fired without cause. That's just a wee bit different than fighting for the right to never be fired and to keep your first job for life.

Anyhow, that's been annoying me since I read it.


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Canards like that are pretty typical for the right. Just think of that one about churches being forced to carry out SSM "against their will".

I'm adding here a quotation from an article by Rick Wolff over at Monthly Review (USA).

Lessons of a Left Victory in France

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First, a badly disunited left -- divided along age, gender, income, immigrant, educational, ethnic, and other lines -- found it possible as well as necessary to unite. The unifying focus was on their common relation to the security and conditions of labor.

Second, the power of this particular focus undermined the French government's repeated efforts to split the better-paid from the less-well-paid workers, the immigrant from the non-immigrant, the young from the older, and the more from the less-educated.

Third, the government's effort to invoke "the law" as expressing the "democratic will of the people" failed to dissuade a mass movement that believed it represented the people far better and far more genuinely. A kind of dual power situation emerged...

Finally and perhaps most importantly, the alliance of students and workers confronts the lesson that unified, mass, direct political action can win battles.

A lesson about the US mass media also deserves to be drawn yet again. They mostly ignored the momentous events in France. Some found good copy in wildly exaggerating the scattered violence whose minimal scope and impact actually attested to the mass demonstrations' remarkable organization, discipline, and solidarity.


Our own Stephen Gordon defended the program of allowing young workers to be dismissed without cause as "progressive" over at b_s. You can find his arguments over there.


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The French universities are re-opening. Student demonstrators were calmed when the government withdrew its bill giving employers the right to fire new employees without showing cause. The infamous “first contract” for young workers designed in response to last year's riots against police violence by young French citizens from recent immigrant families, created this year's mass demonstrations, and student strike action.

Duncan Cameron


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Rémy Herrera has written an interesting piece about recent events in France.

Three moments of the French revolt.

1. First Moment: The Impact of the No Vote, May 2005.

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With a vote of 55 percent, the French electorate decisively rejected the proposed European Constitution in the May 29, 2005, referendum.1 This proposal aimed to write into constitutional law the policy of economic neoliberalism or no-holds-barred globalized capitalism.

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The vote was sharply divided along class lines—a reminder to the elites that the people still exist, popular classes still resist, and the world of labor can be mobilized. The No rallied the votes of 80 percent of production workers, 70 percent of small farmers, 67 percent of white-collar workers, 64 percent of civil servants, and more than 50 percent of craft workers, small shopkeepers, and intermediate professions. It got the vote of 66 percent of households with monthly incomes less than $1,800, 75 percent of those without degrees, and 71 percent of the unemployed. This result was the product of the consciousness, resistance, and unity of the popular classes. It was their first huge victory in a confrontation with neoliberalism since the big strikes of 1995.

Lessons:

1. "First, that the vigilance of the rank and file of the trade-union and pro-working-class parties is essential to impose a democratic policy on their leadership, who are influenced by neoliberal pressures";

2. "...when the leadership of a trade union or workers’ party becomes again what it should never have stopped being, the militant leadership of a working-class organization, it can quickly regain the confidence and the support of its rank and file."

Second Moment: The Uprising in the Cités of the Suburbs, October–November 2005

Third Moment: The Mobilization Against the CPE, February–April 2006

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One understands the main objective of the CPE: to exacerbate competition between workers, to make precarious the employment of the youngest while using them to dismantle the whole wage-earner permanent job statute, and to launch the attack against the great victories of French workers embodied in the relatively progressive labor laws of France: limits imposed on the logic of capital especially in the forms of protections against arbitrary dismissals. The CPE is a device to make the French labor market “flexible” (by suppressing the minimum wage, creating a single flexible work contract, etc.) as recommended by the advocates of neoliberalism—who have been dreaming for a long time of putting an end to the “French exception.”

Numbers in demonstrations of resistance:

"500,000 on February 7;
1,000,000 on March 7;
1,500,000 on March 18;
2–3,000,000 on March 28;
and more than 3,000,000 on April 4."

[ 21 June 2006: Message edited by: N.Beltov ]


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