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blake 3:17
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posted 12 July 2006 06:14 AM      Profile for blake 3:17     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Life is cheap at Wal-Mart: Company orders 40 employees to search for a bomb

11/07/2006
Download this Media Release St-Jean-Sur-Richelieu, Que. July 11, 2006 - Why did Wal-Mart clear customers out of a Quebec store and then order 40 of its workers to stay in the store and search for a bomb? On July 5 workers at a Wal-Mart in St-Jean-Sur-Richelieu, Quebec were ordered by Wal-Mart to help police search for a bomb, even though police recommended to Wal-Mart that the store should be completely evacuated.

An investigation is underway and some of the workers continue to be traumatized from the forced search.

“This was a pretty sad message about how much value Wal-Mart puts on the lives of its workers", says Wayne Hanley, national director of UFCW Canada (United Food and Commercial Workers Canada).

“But no worker’s life is worthless. What made Wal-Mart think it had the right to endanger 40 people without their consent? Why did Wal-Mart usher out its customers but order its workers to stay put? What if a bomb really had been planted?”

“This is a very troubling story," says Hanley, “and makes you wonder what kind of information Wal-Mart gives its employees about the labour laws."

Full UFCW release.


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Stargazer
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posted 12 July 2006 06:24 AM      Profile for Stargazer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh but...but...Walmart says they were just helping out the police and like, they only meant the best and all of the workers, you know, they volunteered.

I thought this kind of thing was against the law? I mean we had a bomb threat here and everyone was evacuated. Same thing happened at IKEA, everyone, including the workers, were immediately evacuated. I would sue the pants off Walmart.


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greenie
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posted 12 July 2006 06:33 AM      Profile for greenie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Stargazer:
I thought this kind of thing was against the law? I mean we had a bomb threat here and everyone was evacuated. Same thing happened at IKEA, everyone, including the workers, were immediately evacuated. I would sue the pants off Walmart.

Article with Police Reaction.

From the article:

quote:
According to police, the store didn't violate any laws and only had an obligation to evacuate the store if a suspicious object was found.

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Stargazer
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posted 12 July 2006 07:41 AM      Profile for Stargazer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh, so I guess the evacuation of the TD Tower and IKEA were...what? I don't get the logic. How is a store allowed to put their employees in jepardy? I mean, how the hell are the employees, not experts in bombs or anything of the sort, be able to tell what is 'suspicious'?

I don't know, but it should be illegal to deliberatly put your employees at risk. Walmart is such a shifty, despicable company.


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greenie
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posted 12 July 2006 08:31 AM      Profile for greenie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Stargazer:
Oh, so I guess the evacuation of the TD Tower and IKEA were...what?

Ethical actions not required by law.

Having said that, I think the law needs to be changed to protect employees from stores like Wal-mart.


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Scott Piatkowski
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posted 12 July 2006 10:41 AM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by greenie:
Ethical actions not required by law.

Except that workplace safety legislation guararantees the right to refuse unsafe work. Wal-Mart is bound by that law even if it doesn't like it.


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greenie
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posted 12 July 2006 11:04 AM      Profile for greenie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Scott Piatkowski:
Except that workplace safety legislation guararantees the right to refuse unsafe work. Wal-Mart is bound by that law even if it doesn't like it.

Yes, but that leads to the question of when work is deemed unsafe. In the article I referenced, the police claimed that work is unsafe only when a suspicious object is found and not when only a threat has been made. I prefer the latter definition but I suppose this is a question for the courts to decide.


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posted 12 July 2006 11:06 AM      Profile for Stargazer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The courts will be deciding soon if Walmart's actions are any indication. All it takes is one bomb going off and that one will quickly be in court.

I cannot believe the police are behind Walmart on that. Doesn't speak well of them either.


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greenie
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posted 12 July 2006 11:16 AM      Profile for greenie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Stargazer:
I cannot believe the police are behind Walmart on that. Doesn't speak well of them either.

Maybe I've become overly cynical in my old age but the police defending corporate interests doesn't surprise me at all.


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posted 12 July 2006 11:50 AM      Profile for 500_Apples   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The policemen are law enforcers and not lawmakers.
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posted 12 July 2006 03:53 PM      Profile for Stargazer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I wasn't assuming they were lawmakers apples. I think it's obvious they do not make the laws (they just break them).

My point was that the police have zero right to allow a place like Walmart to put the people in danger. They are there to serve and protect, and that is supposed to mean protect me and you. Not some corporate entity. I think the police were not following any 'law' but were rather not bothering to enforce a law that Walmart may have been breaching.


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posted 12 July 2006 07:02 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by blake 3:17:
Life is cheap at Wal-Mart: Company orders 40 employees to search for a bomb

Holy crap. This is outrageous.


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This story somehow reminded me of when I was a security guard one summer trying to make extra cash for college. I was stationed the whole summer at a huge BINGO hall in Mississauga, and every night I had to escort the cash to the vault. I didn't have a gun. What the hell was I supposed to do if trouble developed? I had no training whatsoever. I decided that if anything developed, I'd run like hell and protect my ass.
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blake 3:17
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posted 13 July 2006 09:59 PM      Profile for blake 3:17     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This kind of abuse by employers is just insane.

Meanwhile in Saskatchewan...

quote:
'Board is biased' against Wal-Mart, court hears
Retailer awaits unionization ruling in Saskatchewan

Hollie Shaw, Financial Post; hs
Published: Wednesday, July 12, 2006
Wal-Mart Canada's union battles have shifted to Saskatchewan, where the retailer is taking aim at the province's labour board, alleging bias could prevent the company from getting a fair hearing.

Wal-Mart lawyer John Beckman argued last week before a Saskatchewan Queen's Bench judge that some labour board members should be replaced.

He cited an affidavit from the board's former vice-chairman, Walter Matkowski, who alleges his contract with the board was not renewed because he had made rulings against unions and was not well-liked by organized labour in the province.

Mr. Matkowski, who has filed a wrongful-dismissal lawsuit against the government, also alleges his superiors forced board members to read the Saskatchewan Federation of Labour's newsletter, which featured articles critical of both Wal-Mart and the board.

The United Food and Commercial Workers is trying to organize two stores in Weyburn, Sask. The labour board has yet to release its ruling in the Weyburn case, which was heard last year. Mr. Matkowski did not sit on that hearing.


Full story.


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posted 15 July 2006 05:58 PM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Scott Piatkowski:

Except that workplace safety legislation guararantees the right to refuse unsafe work. Wal-Mart is bound by that law even if it doesn't like it.


Even where laws exist to allow workers to refuse, they need a union to given them the knowledge and courage to use those laws.


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posted 15 July 2006 07:04 PM      Profile for Aristotleded24   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by greenie:
Yes, but that leads to the question of when work is deemed unsafe. In the article I referenced, the police claimed that work is unsafe only when a suspicious object is found and not when only a threat has been made. I prefer the latter definition but I suppose this is a question for the courts to decide.

Let's see. A bomb threat has been made to the store, but it's okay, we'll look for it. It's perfectly safe, never mind that "finding" a possible bomb could result in a fatal explosion. Nope, it's perfectly safe to look for a bomb.


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posted 15 July 2006 08:28 PM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by greenie:

Yes, but that leads to the question of when work is deemed unsafe. In the article I referenced, the police claimed that work is unsafe only when a suspicious object is found and not when only a threat has been made. I prefer the latter definition but I suppose this is a question for the courts to decide.


The law (for example, section 128 of the Canada Labour Code, but all provincial codes read similarly) require that the employee have "reasonable cause to believe" that the situation "constitutes a danger" to herself or a fellow employee. Thus, it is not necessary that an actual danger exist. The only issue the tribunal would later determine is whether the worker didn't really believe there might be a danger and was faking it.

As I said, however, it's a pretty gutsy act for a non-unionized individual low-paid worker in a company like Wal-Mart to defy managerial "urging" based on assuming what the legal protections are. Without a union, workers don't know their rights nor do they have the confidence to invoke them.


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There is not one of those workers that was physically forced to search for the bomb. Yes, they probably would have been fired by the 'bosses' and there would then be significant financial consequences for the defiance. But they still could have freely walked away. If there had been a union in place the shop stewards would have had the employees marching out of the place in solidarity and the bosses would have been left with their faces hanging out.

Consequently, without a unifying force to protect the interests of the workers, there are always going to be people who submit to 'authority' rather than defying it in instances such as the above, and the 'authority' will continue to expect compliance.


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From the CBC site:
quote:
The occupational health and safety commission in Quebec is investigating complaints by Wal-Mart employees that they were forced to help police search for suspicious packages in their store after it received a bomb threat.

The commission says it should have its findings by next week, and it may make recommendations on how these situations should be dealt with in the future.

Three bomb threats in one week at the Wal-Mart store in Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu left employees feeling edgy. But it's how their employer allegedly dealt with the threats that has them more concerned.


Full story.

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posted 24 July 2006 10:39 AM      Profile for uggghhh        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I do not understand why this event has not developed a broader link between the UFCW and the local police union (I am guessing the police have a union in this region).
I agree that police are limited to enforcing and protecting the laws that are in their jurisdiction. It is clear Wal-Mart has indirectly endangered its workers, and that this issue needs further examination by the Ministry of Labour in Quebec. However, allowing Wal-Mart to burr the lines of 'who is responsible for what' in the retail industry continues to put workers at risk.
I hope public service and retail-grocery unions can find common ground on this issue.

The only suspicious package in this store that day was company policy and procedure.


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quote:
The only suspicious package in this store that day was company policy and procedure.

I like it, i really, really like it


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posted 24 July 2006 05:42 PM      Profile for Américain Égalitaire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Just when i think Wal-Mart could not get any worse.

Its like that scene in Blazing Saddles where the boss sends the two black railroad track layers out in a hardcart to look for quicksand. Well, they found it.

How does the average Wal-Mart employee know what might constitute a suspicious package? Did they get on the job training that day in what to look for? Is there are conference of managers that decides that something might be a bomb if an employee thinks he/she has found something suspicious? I mean, a mere EMPLOYEE can't be trusted to determine whether they've actually FOUND a REAL BOMB, only someone anointed as a manager can really decide and then they would call the cops, right? I mean if this weren't real it WOULD be a scene from a comedy movie.

Curly: "Hey Moe, I think I found the bomb!"

Moe: "Ah, what makes you think so chowderhead?"

Curly: "Well its ticking and there's dynamite attached to it, see?"

Moe: "Yahhhhhhh its a real bomb!!

Curly: "Woowoowoowoowoo!

(Curly throws bomb over shoulder, caught by stuffy looking Wal-Mart manager).

Manager: "Say what's the big idea throwing around company property - you're all fired!"

(boom!)

(Wal-Mart manager shown descending toward a man dressed in red with horns and pitchfork)

Devil: "I believe you're going my way"

(end credits)


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