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Webgear
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posted 17 August 2007 05:27 PM      Profile for Webgear     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Russia restarts Cold War patrols

"Russia is resuming a Soviet-era practice of sending its bomber aircraft on long-range flights, President Vladimir Putin has said."


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Fidel
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posted 17 August 2007 11:47 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And the newspeak word for today is 'compellence'

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Recent disinformation by the western media about Russia starting a new Cold War not only masks the threat of a US Anti-Ballistic Missile shield deployment but, as always, projects the blame on the victim, Russia.

The US missile shield must be understood in the context of its geo-strategic nuclear deployment. Far from being defensive, its ultimate purpose is to obtain such an unassailable advantage over any other nuclear power as to be able to threaten any would-be opponent with nuclear extinction if it were not to comply with the wishes of the US.


The Russkies don't need arctic oil and gas. They want an expanded buffer zone for their submarines as a counter-threat to ABMs in Eastern Europe. Our corporate-sponsored MSM is conveniently not paying attention again.


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posted 18 August 2007 08:15 AM      Profile for Papal Bull   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I felt that the SCO war games in C. Asia were far more interesting. I'd really like to sit down with some reports from that and see how well the Russian military is performing. Likewise, I'd like to see if the Chinese et al. are capable of working in a co-ordinated fashion with the Russians. It will be interesting to see teh SCO as a competitive force to NATO.
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posted 18 August 2007 08:30 AM      Profile for Nanuq   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Traditionally, China and Russia have always been enemies. Most of their troops and military tends to be stationed at their mutual border. It's hard to see them working together militarily without a very compelling reason.
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posted 18 August 2007 08:36 AM      Profile for Papal Bull   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Nanuq:
Traditionally, China and Russia have always been enemies. Most of their troops and military tends to be stationed at their mutual border. It's hard to see them working together militarily without a very compelling reason.

NATO at their doorstep and a resurgent India seems to be enough.


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posted 18 August 2007 09:06 AM      Profile for ceti     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Russia has a longstanding friendship with India which is being challenged by the neoliberal tilt of the Indian government and its elite's over fondness (putting it mildly) for Americanism.

I think Russia's return is a good thing. The US never ever abandoned its cold war posture and now has enough first strike capability to completely annihilate both the Russian and Chinese nukes, without them even getting in a retaliatory strike. This complete supremacy is due in large part to Russia's deterrent collapse through the 1990s.

With their complete abandonment of the ABM, and their move to weaponize space, the US has gone completely rogue to make up for its economic decline. Ah, the end time cometh and the beast prepares itself.

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posted 18 August 2007 09:19 AM      Profile for Nanuq   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Ah, the end time cometh and the beast prepares itself.

I wouldn't be too smug about this. There isn't a lot of evidence that the new beast will be any better than the old one.


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posted 18 August 2007 09:24 AM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
President Merkin Muffley: You're talking about mass murder, General, not war!
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posted 18 August 2007 09:47 AM      Profile for Américain Égalitaire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

"I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed! But no more than ten to twenty million tops - depending on the breaks."

My all time favourite movie, you know.


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posted 18 August 2007 10:01 AM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's a classic. They were all priceless in that one. I read about actor Sterling Hayden "General Ripper" joining the U.S. army way back then. Because he was an actor his comrades figured he was a puff. But Sterling worked hard all his life before Hollywood. The actor from New Jersey apparently had to demonstrate his toughness on a few occasions. The FBI harassed him about his former communist affiliations.
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posted 18 August 2007 11:57 AM      Profile for Webgear     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Shanghai Cooperation Organisation

August 11, 2007 - The Peace Mission 2007 antiterrorist joint exercise of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) started in Tchebarkul, Volga-Urals Military District.

The Peace Mission 2007 opening ceremony took place at the Tchebarkul training ground.

“Per se this is the first such training as units from Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan did not take part in the joint training on August 6 as they arrived a day later and only observed the exercises,” Colonel Igor Konashenkov said.

He also added that airborne troops landing operation will not be executed because of weather.

But the Russian AF will enable six Il-76 transport planes, eighti Su-25 battleplanes, 12 Mi-24 and 12 Mi-8 helicopters.

China will provide six Il-76 aircraft, eight battleplanes, 24 helicopters (and 8 in reserve).

Peace Mission 2007 will involve all six SCO countries (Russia, China, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan), nearly 6,000 troops and 100 aircraft.

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posted 18 August 2007 12:11 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So it sounds like the Russia and China and Iran, India, Pakistan and SCO etc are planning to takeover Asia, or something. And we've got to stop them!
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posted 18 August 2007 03:49 PM      Profile for Webgear     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Russia-China war games boost ties

Energy dominates Shanghai summit

"Greater co-operation over energy and security have dominated talks between the presidents of China and Russia and their Central Asian counterparts."


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posted 18 August 2007 08:03 PM      Profile for BetterRed     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Per se this is the first such training as units from Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan did not take part in the joint training on August 6 as they arrived a day later and only observed the exercises,” Colonel Igor Konashenkov said.

Why thats funny,because the US also happens to have air bases in Uzbekistan and Kyrgizstan, not to mention pretty much owning Afghanistan.

Also, now that Russians pulled out of Georgia,this leaves only two countries where the RF has serious bases: Moldova and Tajikistan.

The latter country co-operated with the Russian troops in order to stop Afghhan "freedom fighters"/err drug dealers fromoverruning the border.


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posted 22 August 2007 04:00 PM      Profile for ceti     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Now if they only changed the name of their hockey team back to "Red Army", I'd be all over international tournaments.

Incidentally, my university's sports motto was "Go Big Red!" and their symbol was the bear. I think it preceded the cold war, but heck it was awesome.


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