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Geneva
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posted 02 February 2006 11:52 AM      Profile for Geneva     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have never felt there was a backlash against feminism to the degree some people described,
but the current "boy crisis" media craze really seems based on very little else:
http://www.slate.com/id/2135243/nav/tap1/
certainly, as a man I see no reason to regret women's academic progress, au contraire -- nor do I under any circumstances want my son, for example, to ask for social consideration as part of an "oppressed" (ha) or under-represented group

luckily the science of the boy crisis appears pretty flimsy:

""... look more closely at some of the longest-running data about school trends, and the picture that emerges isn't so neatly polarized—or so readily PET-scanned, either. The truth is that by 1980, women had already reached parity with men on college campuses. Over the next two decades, as women continued to get college degrees in ever greater numbers, there's evidence to suggest that girls' gains at the pre-college level weren't as striking and don't appear to have been at the expense of boys. A paper titled "Assessing Gilligan vs. Sommers" surveyed "gender-specific trends" in the well-being of American children and youths between 1985 and 2001 by, among other things, assembling National Assessment of Educational Progress test scores for reading and math skills over the decade and a half—for ages 9, 13, and 17.

""The graphs that emerged aren't very exciting: The trend is relative stability for all, rather than marked mobility for either gender. Boys' reading scores have declined somewhat over the past decade, but they were lower than girls' from the start; girls' scores have barely budged.

"" Meanwhile, math scores have risen slightly for both girls and boys. Gender gaps are negligible for 9- and 13-year-olds, while high-school boys hold a slight edge over their female peers. The percentage of females between 18 and 24 with high-school diplomas, too, held steady—at about 85 percent; in 2001, the percentage of males with diplomas dropped slightly below what had been a pretty stable 80 percent.""

[..]
""Viewing school issues primarily through a gender lens has a way of encouraging a search for one-size-fits-all prescriptions for each sex. But what the array of motley evidence about males suggests is the wisdom of being wary about just that. It's worth noting that boys' test scores tend to be more variable than girls', with more of them at the tippy top, and many more down at the bottom. There may be biological forces at work, but at the moment the most marked contrasts in educational performance and college attendance show up between races and social classes; ...""

[ 02 February 2006: Message edited by: Geneva ]


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Timebandit
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posted 02 February 2006 01:03 PM      Profile for Timebandit     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I read the article earlier this morning. It pretty much smashes the anti-feminist claptrap that keeps being paraded about as science/true psychology.

Nice to see someone cut so neatly through the bullshit.


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faith
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posted 02 February 2006 05:09 PM      Profile for faith     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This is one area where I feel the crisis is a manufactured one that is used to sell newspapers and give educators something to discuss during meetings, conferences, and put into lengthy reports.
The historical context of women's entry into the world of higher education and the job market is totally ignored. My grandmother did not go to high school, neither did my grandfather but at least he finished grade school. My point is that women did not go to school because they were too busy giving birth and taking care of families. When women gained control over their own bodies they could then make the choice for higher education if their families could afford it.
From 1960 to 1975 enrollment for post secondary education for women went from 25% of the total to 42% in 1975 - at the same time as the pill became widely used and efforts were being made to bring some gender equity to higher education. (Satistics are from STATSCAN). The last 35 years are the only period in history that we have continuous data streams of statistics in any meaningfull numbers on female education compared to male education. All results prior to the 60's would have been almost completely male results, because men were the ones going on to post secondary education.
When the public discourse on education starts sounding the alarm bells about the poor boys not being well served by education, my first thought is how do they really know? Only very recent history is able to give any kind of comparison, so there is no history of gender based results as a basis for long term study.
I think Gloria Steinem was right when she said something like 'just get out of the way and women will do just fine'. That is what I believe we have seen over the last 3 1/2 decades. Men are doing the same as they have always done, women are just recently getting a chance to show what they are capable of, and that seems to have a few people worried.

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blake 3:17
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posted 02 February 2006 06:45 PM      Profile for blake 3:17     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The article has some very critiques. I find it remendously flawed -- "success" in US society is a weird ... success of sorts.

It's all very mired in particular forms of quantified and quantifiable definitions of success -- statistically measured by education level, financial income, and things like IQ tests -- which explicitly embrace models of failures. This fundamental positivism is the bane of US and Canadian education. Mix it up with zero tolerance policies...

I observe a real crises with boys on a day to day basis. Many of these issues are more existential. And I see these boys rages, tears, and anguish overwhelmingly taking their toll on girls and women.


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Timebandit
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posted 03 February 2006 09:25 AM      Profile for Timebandit     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

The article was on academic success... How does one do that without looking at good marks and continued education as a desirable end? If you want to measure success in academics by some other standard, what would that be?

And I have no idea what your last paragraph means in terms of boys and girls in school. Are you turning this into a domestic violence thread? Why?


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