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lagatta
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posted 16 February 2006 01:12 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The old Imperial Tobacco plant in southwestern Montréal is to be transformed into ... yet more condos.

Not that I oppose developing urban housing for those that can pay for it, but there has been practically no new development of co-ops, public housing, or other forms of social housing in the neighbourhood or anywhere in central Montréal in recent years. Grrrr.

Condoville strikes again.


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FourteenRivers
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posted 16 February 2006 02:31 PM      Profile for FourteenRivers        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
More condos - big suprise there! The whole city is going to be one huge condo soon at this rate...
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posted 16 February 2006 02:39 PM      Profile for debator     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I saw the same thing while vacationing in Miami when I realized that developers are targeting the aging boomers who no longer want to have to mow back yards. Like it or not, our world is still defined by boomers' wants and needs.
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K Connor
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posted 16 February 2006 02:44 PM      Profile for K Connor        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, Saint-Henri has certainly already welcomed enough luxury urban densification. Although, given the location of the factory, it would be all too typical if it had been made social housing: high-end condos by the canal, social housing by the autoroute.
If it's any consolation, this project should be realized this year in the metro-station portion of Verdun, only about 1.5 km as the crow flies from Saint-Henri:
Trois projets sont en élaboration à la fin de l’année 2005, pour un total de 111 unités :
a)
L’OBNL Entre-Deux-Âges a pour projet la réalisation de 71 unités destinées aux personnes âgées en légère perte d’autonomie et aux personnes ayant des problèmes de santé mentale;
b)
La Coopérative d’habitation Casabella (24 unités) pour familles;
c)
La Coopérative d’habitation Rêve Bleu (16 unités) qui vise à fournir du logement à des femmes seules âgées de 55 ans ou plus.

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lagatta
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posted 16 February 2006 03:00 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That's nice, K Connor. Have you any details on those projects?

Up in my end, l'enjeu is what is going to happen to the old municipal ateliers next to Rosemont métro, and in general, all the buildings and site earmarked for the U de M superhospital: many buildings have been left to crumble. That whole area could be redeveloped with housing in a highly desirable area to bridge the gap between Mile-End/western Plateau and La Petite Patrie/Petite Italie - it remains to be seen how much social housing will be built.

As for debator, I am SO sick of stereotyping "baby boomers" as wealthy. I'm definitely a boomer, definitely not wealthy, and I know a hell of a lot of other people my age who aren't and never will be either. If you are an engineer, you are probably wealthier than I am, even though I could be your mum.

Edited to add: As an environmentalist, I see urban densification as a very positive trend - the problem is making denser housing in areas with good access to public transport, services and amenities available to all.

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K Connor
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posted 16 February 2006 03:52 PM      Profile for K Connor        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm not sure what sort of details you're interested in. I know that it's an old food industry site (does Presto mean anything to you?) so there's some sort of contamination that needs to be cleaned up. Otherwise, it's surrounded by triplexes, etc. I know they're still waiting on funding. Verdun committed to building 500 units of social housing in 2002. So far, 60 have been built. Even with this project, we're over 300 short. There are some underutilized light industrial areas left in Verdun, I assume that's where they plan to put the social housing as it's already partially residential. I'm not involved with it in any way; maybe Ross J. Peterson would know more if he hasn't flounced.

Actually, now that I think about it, there's talk about converting the former Canada Post sorting centre in Little Burgandy to social housing. That definitely qualifies as central Montreal. I'm not sure what stage that's at, probably "being studied."

I have some acquaintances who live around Rosemont metro. I can well imagine that the area you're talking about being redeveloped has the developers salivating.


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posted 17 February 2006 04:23 PM      Profile for debator     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Lagatta - I wasn't meaning to stereotype boomers as wealthy - only that the marketplace in my lifetime has been thoroughly sculpted by their wants and needs. I'm pretty sure I didn't even use the word wealthy. Their simple large numbers with respect to demographics mean that if you can find a product or service that boomers will consume or use, you can make a lot of money off it. Industries throughout the last 50 years have risen and fallen based on boomers' consumption habits.

Fact is, boomers are getting older, which means that they are consuming goods and services related to their aging (i.e. health care, easier living, etc.) This means that these types of services will be a priority item for both the marketplace and for government, simply becuase of the number of people within the population that demand those types of services.

Downsizing is something many boomers are doing, regardless of how financially well off they are. They simply don't wish to take care of yards, houses, etc. A nice side effect to this is that they move into higher density living areas, which is definitely a positive move which I agree with.

I would argue though that although many municipalities say they wish to have a higher urban population (and infrastructure), their actions run contrary to their wishes. For example, I totally agree with you that accessible and affordable public transportation is required to achieve this goal, yet instead of creating a higher demand for public transportation through lower or potentially subsidized fares, fares over the last years are increasing, providing no financial incentive to use the public system.

Sorry for the long message.


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Cougyr
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posted 17 February 2006 05:51 PM      Profile for Cougyr     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The condo is a means for passing apartment costs from a landlord to the tennants, and/or banks. Since most condos have monthly fees attached, one still pays. What is always left out of the equasion is building life. Every building has a last owner. I think that 30 years from now, a lot of condo owners will be left holding the bag.
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posted 17 February 2006 10:14 PM      Profile for jrootham     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
One of the things about condos, at least here in Toronto, is that they pay property taxes at a third of the rate of apartment buildings.

As far as the last owner problem goes, I would hope it's more than 30 years away. My co-op was badly built and our engineers still say it has an indefinite life with good maintainance and upgrading.

What does make it interesting (in the Chinese sense) is the high density they are already built at. A low density building can be replaced with a higher density building even with a good payout to the last owner. With existing high density this will be more problematic.


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