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windymustang
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posted 16 September 2004 12:10 PM      Profile for windymustang     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think that this is an interesting question to think about. Many work at an occupation just to pay the bills, while others pursue a career out of passion. But what is the passion about? Why do you feel passionately about your pursuit?

I was reading an article in Artist's magazine and in it, the writer encouraged artists to talk to buyers about why they paint. I think that this question applies to everyone. You might not be passionate about your work, but other things that you choose to do inspire passion in you.

I paint for a number of reasons. The first is that I love the process. Mixing colours and finding combinations that complement and create tension is exciting. I also love just working with colours. Their varities and value combinations give me a lot of pleasure.

The final result is quite important, I love to see a painting completed that I think works. If a painting is unsuccessful, I have still enjoyed the process, although I'm disappointed with the product. It usually takes me a little time to get over the disappointment and start another, or sometimes I'll get stuck part way through and not know how to continue.

What are you passionate about and why does it make you inspired?


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beverly
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posted 16 September 2004 12:20 PM      Profile for beverly     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I worked for nine years for the federal government as a fraud investigator. It was a very depressing job. Besides the fraud thing, we had to find people, (often they turned up on East Hastings - so you are going through pee smelling rooming houses)

So I quit came home and took a job as a reporter/photographer. It's not just a job anymore. It's something I love doing everyday. I get to meet interesting people.... etc etc.

Pays alot less than what I was making in Vancouver - but then my living expenses are substantially lower too. I am also working on a book LOL HYSTERICALLY. I don't get much time to do it..... And I have started painting again. 'Cause I actually do feel inspired about alot of things right now.


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windymustang
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posted 16 September 2004 01:04 PM      Profile for windymustang     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
beverly, I admire your choice to work at what you love as opposed to how much you earn. This is something that I've always tried to instill in my children.

Thankfully it is working out with my daughter (19) who was considering an education in business. She started her first course and decided that she hated it. She is still trying to find what she loves in respect to career, and I think she'll hit on it. She is such a creative person, I'm hoping that she'll work with the arts in some forum.

Don't laught at your book. You'll do it if and when it becomes important enough. Time is always a factor, but we have to make it. I hope it isn't too long until you get past survival mode and you finances are better. Keep painting!


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lagatta
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posted 16 September 2004 01:22 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I can't move posts (skdadl and I can only moderate "out and about") but this interesting topic seems to be in the wrong forum. Far too reflective for "banter". Now then, audra and Michelle, should it go under "labour and consumption", "body and soul" or "arts and culture"?

I'm glad beverly left that soul-destroying job. Problem is, there are real cases that must be investigated, but often it is just a case of dire poverty and screwing up.

I just can't fit into straight jobs, so I have to find something where I don't have to look and act too conventional. Cela dit, freelancing is very, very difficult ... especially when clients don't pay.

I've sold and exhibited paintings, but have not really tried to earn my living exclusively in that way, at least not of late. I keep on doing it as it is a need and an urge, but I'm a bit too old to be able to count just on that.

As for translation, it can be great if the texts are interesting or socially useful - and if I'm interpreting at exciting events - but there is a lot of routine as in any work, and working home alone ... well, makes one babble too much. That or talking to my cat, (I do that as well but often, being a cat, he studiously ignores me), or to the walls.


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beverly
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posted 16 September 2004 01:32 PM      Profile for beverly     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
reelancing is very, very difficult ... especially when clients don't pay.

I take it that dude hasn't paid yet. I'm still waiting as well. Problem is you always have a plan for the money, hey. I wanted to go to Lethbridge or SOMEWHERE for part of the week-end. Oh well.

Good luck Lagatta.

Thanks Windy - yes, yes, my soul feels much more content - even if I live in Klein's Alberta.


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kukuchai
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posted 16 September 2004 02:20 PM      Profile for kukuchai        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, I've lived in Klein the Swine's Alberta for 8 years and I feel VERY "passionate" about leaving. If you are poor in Alberta you have to be VERY "creative" just to survive.
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steffie
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posted 16 September 2004 09:10 PM      Profile for steffie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I suppose that, even though I complain about my job (the pay, mostly, and the stress) that I am doing what I am passionate about. My passion involves bridging gaps though effective communication, which of course I do as a *coughmumble* taxi dispatcher *ahem*. Ideally I would do this using text, but oh well, this is the path I am on at the moment, so why not make the most of it, eh? I remember as a younger woman I once described my "dream job": it was to write captions for pictures, captions that would succinctly capture the image's message. For some strange reason I feel compelled to communicate things to people; to strive to make them "get it". Where does this come from? I dunno, middle child syndrome, or something. I just know that when I have communicated something successfully, I get a thrill. That's how I know what my passion is. And my mission now is to include as many things in my life that give me that thrill. Like helping other people learn to read (volunteering as a tutor). But, when will the money come? When? When? Oh well; I guess I'd rather have fulfillment than money.
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Gir Draxon
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posted 16 September 2004 09:40 PM      Profile for Gir Draxon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by kukuchai:
Yes, I've lived in Klein the Swine's Alberta for 8 years and I feel VERY "passionate" about leaving. If you are poor in Alberta you have to be VERY "creative" just to survive.

If by "creative" you mean "willing to work hard", I agree with you.


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windymustang
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posted 16 September 2004 10:36 PM      Profile for windymustang     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Originally posted by steffie:
quote:
I remember as a younger woman I once described my "dream job": it was to write captions for pictures, captions that would succinctly capture the image's message.

You could be one the the people who describe the pictures in National Geographic Magazine. When you said this, it made me think that you would enjoy some sort of publishing job. Maybe even to write the text for children's books or cartoons. How about radio?

Lagatta, your jobs have always fascinated me. I sometimes find myself in the middle of doing some job or other and find I'm thinking about you and your work. I wonder who you're meeting and where you're going next.

I see that it has some downsides to it from your comments, (it's always horrible when people don't pay you what they owe) but I find translating to be an interesting field. From where I sit, many of your descriptions have made it glamourous to imagine.


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Jingles
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posted 16 September 2004 10:41 PM      Profile for Jingles     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
If by "creative" you mean "willing to work hard", I agree with you.

If by "willing to work hard" you mean "work overtime hours barely above minimum wage, pay outrageous health care premiums, and listen to your asshole boss bitch about high taxes before he leaves to play golf in the afternoon in his SUV, and live in a shitty apartment where the landlord can raise rent at will and blame property tax increases, and hope to christ you don't get laid off because there social services have been cut to the bone", then I agree with you.

BTW, why are right wingers so fixated on the "Hard Work= Success and Wealth" when they know it isn't true? I know they are self-serving and hypocritical, but do they do it out of a sense of irony, or just to be assholes?


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windymustang
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posted 16 September 2004 10:51 PM      Profile for windymustang     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Originally posted by Jingles:
quote:
BTW, why are right wingers so fixated on the "Hard Work= Success and Wealth" when they know it isn't true? I know they are self-serving and hypocritical, but do they do it out of a sense of irony, or just to be assholes?

Gir certainly likes to piss people off.

I agree with you about living in AB sucks when you're poor...been there ...done that. What social services? The apathy in AB is staggering, and unfortunately it has spread to ON and BC.

It is not possible to really survive in these provinces while living below the poverty level. I'd think the people would be leaving these provinces in droves - unfortunately escape costs money too!


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posted 17 September 2004 12:26 AM      Profile for Timebandit     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Why do I do what I do? I've often asked myself that question, and the answer has been different every time.

I tried walking away from film once, but I didn't stay away for long. I've worked day jobs -- the longest, most lucrative and sincerely soul-sucking was as a claims adjudicator for WCB -- but always had some screenplay in mind.

Maybe there's a compulsion to tell stories there. Maybe I'm just arrogant enough to think that what I have to say is worth hearing. Or that it's an inner pursuit of learning how it all works, or finding a way to work through the kinks in my soul/brain/heart/whatever. Maybe it's all of the above, and then some. Whatever it is, I keep on doing it...

[ 18 September 2004: Message edited by: Zoot ]


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Fidel
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posted 17 September 2004 02:43 AM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Jingles:

BTW, why are right wingers so fixated on the "Hard Work= Success and Wealth" when they know it isn't true? I know they are self-serving and hypocritical, but do they do it out of a sense of irony, or just to be assholes?

Most of the ones I know grew up in nice, middle class neighborhoods or better. They had all the advantages while studying in high school, quiet home life, their own private studies or the entire downstairs rec rooms for study. Parents paid the shot for university at a time when paying for four or five years of university wasn't the equivalent of a mortgage without the house to show for it. It's amazing what a little head start can do for one.

And some others just had family connections. Sure it's a meritocracy, for the rest of us that is.

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posted 17 September 2004 02:55 AM      Profile for Contrarian     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Connie Kaldor describes them as "people who were born on second base and think they hit a double."
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arborman
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posted 17 September 2004 03:01 AM      Profile for arborman     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I do what I do because I get to combine writing with research and community development work. I also get to be political, in an apolitical research kind of way (it's what you choose to study).

I used to do what I used to do because it paid well, but I realized I was miserable. Well funded, but miserable.

Ironically, after making the shift, spending some time in school, and becoming a researcher, I am now making roughly the same amount of money, but I have a much better standard of living. And I love my job 60% of the time, like it another 20%, and can tolerate a further 10%. The rest is admin.


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kukuchai
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posted 17 September 2004 12:11 PM      Profile for kukuchai        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Gir Draxon:

If by "creative" you mean "willing to work hard", I agree with you.


Hmmm..."willing to work hard". Let's see. A little over 2 years ago I pulled my mother, who was 79 at the time, out of a Calgary nursing home. Let's just say that the huge gash over her left eye and the very large bruises on her arms (the ones with the fingerprints in the middle) have all healed very nicely.
Then I pulled my kids out of school (home-schooling for two years) because my older boy was diagnosed with ADD and a learning disability in math; all his teachers told him he was stupid, told him he should just get a job because he's "wasting space in the school", and I was labelled "un-cooperative" because I refused to drug him with Ritalin or Dexedrine. (He was 13 at the time.)
So, am I "willing to work hard:? Yes!
Do I get paid for what I do? No.
Am I creative about accessing services, budgeting, and making all this work? Yes.
Am I burned out? Almost, but I'm also stubborn and these people are too important to me to give up now.
Do I have any support in red-neck, work-hard, drink-hard, Alberta? Not much.
Do I care? No.
By the way, I'm a single parent and I'm still not sure how I've managed to survive these 2.5 years without losing my house or my mind.
But, my mom is still alive and well and has a "private" room in my home overlooking the garden and my son went from a 20% average (or less) in all subjects to about a 75% average (without their drugs).
Now if only I could get the salary of a teacher and a caregiver, plus all the benefits and perks, we'd be just fine.
Creative? Yes.
Wlling to work hard? Yes.


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posted 17 September 2004 12:30 PM      Profile for faith     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
I've sold and exhibited paintings, but have not really tried to earn my living exclusively in that way, at least not of late. I keep on doing it as it is a need and an urge, but I'm a bit too old to be able to count just on that.

Can we see some of your paintings in the Art Forum for babblers? I can't remember the title of the forum but there are some delightful examples of creative works by other babblers.

Kukuchai , colour me impressed.


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skdadl
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posted 17 September 2004 01:45 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Mr Magoo, if you think that you can take care of an aged person who may be incontinent, unable to walk, or, if able to walk, in danger of wandering, and who seldom sleeps more than an hour at a time, and earn a living to support you and her at the same time, then ... Well, then you are an idiot.
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Mr. Magoo
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posted 17 September 2004 01:51 PM      Profile for Secret Agent Style        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Magoo:

I hear ya! I've been washing and combing my own hair for years now, and waiting for the government to pay me a barber's salary for it. So far, nothing!... blah blah blah, I'm a self-centred dickhead....


In this topsy-turvy world of rapid change, it's refreshing that we can always count on the consistency of your snotty comments, which make you look like a total douchebag. You may not be clever, but at least you're an asshole.

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posted 17 September 2004 01:53 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Not "obligated," hmmmn. (Remember that we're speaking of our mothers, here, yes? Or our fathers? Or our partners?)

So now I'm interested. What would be your first step if you found yourself in that situation, Mr Magoo? What resources would you find available to you, to help you? Would you be happy with them -- given that we're talking about your mother or your father or Mrs Magoo?


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quote:
Originally posted by skdadl:
Would you be happy with them -- given that we're talking about your mother or your father...

The blind one doesn't have parents. He pulled himself out of the ground by his bootstraps.

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posted 17 September 2004 02:45 PM      Profile for andrean     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hey Magoo, the content of your remark notwithstanding, I think it's insulting and insensitive to be flip like that to someone who has just said that she felt that she (rightly or wrongly in your opinion) had no other choices.

I know the paid housework topic is a particular bee in your bonnet, and you mostly argue it intelligently, but in this instance, you're not being fair to the poster.


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posted 17 September 2004 04:06 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, people in third world countries don't get financial help for looking after geriatric parents or sick kids either. And look how prosperous their economies are. Children in Bangladesh learn the value of an anglo-saxon work ethic at a very young age. And since they have no national pension plans, dirt poor peasants have to have numerous children for family security and to look after them in their old age. And I'm sure that they, too, have conservatives telling them that things will get better over time because their folksy way of living and frugality will pay off in the long run.

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posted 17 September 2004 09:50 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
but in this instance, you're not being fair to the poster.

You may be correct. My apologies kukuchai.


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posted 17 September 2004 09:55 PM      Profile for steffie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
You could be one the the people who describe the pictures in National Geographic Magazine. When you said this, it made me think that you would enjoy some sort of publishing job. Maybe even to write the text for children's books or cartoons. How about radio?

Windy: Yes, yes, and... yes!! Do you know anyone who is hiring? My obstacle seems to be I that am unwilling to move to a larger centre. I value the small town security over big city success right now. Things will probably change when my child is on his own. Hopefully, that won't be too late for me.


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Mr. Magoo.
The point is this:
I paid my taxes, just like everyone else, while I was working. Those taxes were supposed to go towards things like health-care (including nursing homes) and education. If you read the first two or three paragraphs of my post it explains why I did what I did.
The nursing home failed my mother although I could have left her there to die. Another nursing home? Sure, how many more bruises on a 79-year old woman? Or a broken hip, which would surely kill her. I didn't trust them, any of them, after my experience.
And I could have left my son in school to be belittled by the so-called "professional" teachers, I could have drugged him with Ritalin or Dexedrine, and then left him to fail, drop out of school, etc. etc.
No, of course, I was not obligated. I chose to do that.
But, where are my taxes which were supposed to pay for that? Why am I picking up the pieces after the so-called "professionals"? They screwed up yet they still got paid. I picked up the pieces and everyone is doing much better except that I'm doing it for free.
And I'm doing it for free because I love these people.
Unfortunately, love, compassion, the best interests of children and old people is not recognized by our materialistic, capitalist, bottom line, me-oriented, selfish society.
This idea of "I'm not obligated, I don't have to because I don't want to, I have better things to do because I'm more important" is the reason why so many seniors are literally warehoused in extended care centres, nursing homes, etc., where many are abandoned and completely forgotten by their so-called "families". They are warehoused and literally left to rot in their own urine (seen it first-hand); ignored; abused (physically, emotionally, sexually); fed institutional food (when they should be getting the best). Need I say more?
No, I wasn't obligated in your sense of the word; but, as a daughter, a mother, and a human being I was obligated. It is a sacrifice but one which I would make again.
In my world there is duty and responsibility to other than the self.

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You've really got to watch these private nursing homes with bed sores on your relatives. Among other often told stories of neglect, they'll sedate the old folks and not bother shifting them around in bed to allow circulation to reach pressure points. I'm sorry about your experience, Kukuchai.

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That's interesting, Mr Magoo. As it happens, I read (on the run, as I left yesterday) the much more interesting and reasonable response you wrote up there, before you cut the whole thing and replaced it with the twiddly -- I guess because you'd just then read Andy's and my joke, and you decided fair's fair.

I've come back, though, to acknowledge that I appreciated some of what you wrote, but to pick up on one expression you used. Near as I can recall, you acknowledged my "special interest" in, or concern over, however you put it, long-term care. Now, that was a gesture between virtual friends, for which thanks.

But that anyone should consider what I'm doing a result of a "special interest" just floors me, and seems to me evidence of a serious problem. All I'm doing is carrying on with my marriage. Many others here are caring for their parents, or trying to, as our parents (in most cases) cared for us.

Maybe not everybody is at the same stage at the same time, but in what way is remaining committed to the people you love a "special interest"? Is there anyone here who expects not to be facing the greater and greater demands that love makes of us as time passes?

As long as people consider these problems "special" rather than common interests right up to the moment they face them themselves, for so long will the great costs and demands of illness or disability or old age be even more crushing than they need to be.


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