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Snuckles
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posted 03 April 2008 07:38 AM      Profile for Snuckles   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Forget Eliot Spitzer's dalliances with expensive prostitutes and Jim McGreevey's threesomes.

Those former governors don't know exotic or kinky when compared to the alleged hijinks of the British head of Formula One racing.

Racing fans around the world were stunned this morning to read about the bizarre sex video reportedly featuring Max Mosley, the head of the Formula One's governing body.

Mosley, whose father, Sir Oswald Mosley, was the founder of the British Union of Fascists and a friend of Adolf Hitler, was apparently caught on video with five women in an underground torture chamber engaging in Nazi-inspired sadomasochistic sex, according to British news reports.

In a video obtained by the News of the World, the 67-year-old debonair lawyer is reported to have paid about $5,000 to play both guard and inmate in a concentration camp scene.

When he enters, the man reported to be Mosley is greeted by a busty blond woman dressed as a prison guard who inspects his head for lice, strips off his clothes, bends him over and whips his bottom, while saying, "He's serving a life sentence now for crimes he committed before."

The man then dresses and speaks German with a woman in a Nazi uniform, helping her beat women dressed as prisoners. Later, he has sex with several of the women.

Of course, this being Britain, he shares a cup of tea with the women after the sex.


Read it here.


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aka Mycroft
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posted 03 April 2008 08:04 AM      Profile for aka Mycroft     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If you want the story in its full luridness you have to read the original account from the News of the World (aka "The Screws of the World")

Here's an excerpt complete with CAPS:

quote:
FORMULA One motor racing chief Max Mosley is today exposed as a secret sado-masochist sex pervert.

The son of infamous British wartime fascist leader Oswald Mosley is filmed romping with five hookers at a depraved NAZI-STYLE orgy in a torture dungeon. Mosley— a friend to F1 big names like Bernie Ecclestone and Lewis Hamilton— barks ORDERS in GERMAN as he lashes girls wearing mock DEATH CAMP uniforms and enjoys being whipped until he BLEEDS.

The multi-millionaire son of Sir Oswald, who was a pal of Adolf Hitler, plays a concentration camp commandant in a FIVE-HOUR torture chamber video.

Mosley—the most powerful man in motor-racing—barks orders in German as he WHIPS two hookers dressed in striped uniforms reminiscent of AUSCHWITZ garb while girls in Nazi uniforms look on.

At one point the wrinkled 67-year-old—who publicly likes to give the impression he has put his father's evil legacy behind him—yells "she needs more of ze punishment!" while brandishing a LEATHER STRAP over a brunette's naked bottom.

Then the lashes rain down as Mosley counts them out in German: "Eins! Zwei! Drei! Vier! Fünf! Sechs!"


quote:
Last month the urbane president of the FIA—Formula One's governing body—hit the headlines when he announced a crackdown on racism in the sport after McLaren ace Lewis Hamilton was abused by Spanish spectators.

But on Friday the only 'crackdowns' married Mosley was interested in were on bare buttocks...including his own.


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posted 03 April 2008 08:17 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ach du lieber!

What a freak.


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martin dufresne
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posted 03 April 2008 09:30 AM      Profile for martin dufresne   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You can say that again: racing million-dollar virility-enhancing gas guzzlers with no concern for global warming... there ought to be a law!
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Doug
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posted 03 April 2008 09:47 AM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Someone's been watching Ilsa, She-Wolf of the SS too much.

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Michelle
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posted 25 July 2008 04:18 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Heather Mallick's take

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Mosley's sexual depravity, for which he should be prosecuted and perhaps jailed, was using prostitutes, not volunteers. But as reluctant as I am to admit this, it wasn't as depraved as it seems. Mosley played being both Nazi officer and Jewish prisoner, a sexual scenario I have never before heard of.

Mosley's crime? He spent 48 years being secretly human—in one year alone he spent $150,000 on S&M—and got caught by excellent technology with millions of people shrieking with laughter at his public humiliation, a carbon copy of the postwar treatment endured in sprightly fashion by his evil father.

Incidentally, I would never have defended Max Mosley, ze monster viss ze German acksent, had it not been for two recent books about the Mitford sisters. Max's mother was one of the most hated women in Europe until her death in 2003 at the age of 93.

Thanks to good biographical research by Anne de Courcy and Charlotte Mosley (Max's half-niece), we now know that Diana endured a brutal marriage at the hands of Max's father.

Her initial passion for him destroyed her own parents' marriage and helped cause her sister's suicide. She lost her loving first husband, her fortune, good name, years of motherhood, friends, country, self-esteem and physical health—all because she was too proud to renounce the demon Oswald.

As a result, blood has been running down the back of the pitiable Max Mosley for a lifetime. It was his sexual fate and yes, he should have been given the right to accept it in privacy.



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M. Spector
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posted 25 July 2008 06:37 AM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I agree with Mallick.

Mosley should be condemned for trying to ruin the sport of open-wheeled racing, not for his private consensual sexual conduct.


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Robespierre
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posted 25 July 2008 06:48 AM      Profile for Robespierre     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This story has a nasty anti-sexual streak running right through it. If Mosley had been "caught" screwing five women in what is considered traditional straight, Christian sex, there'd be no sizzle to this story. The Sub/dom aspect is overtly being made into a crime itself.
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Fleabitn
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posted 25 July 2008 07:44 AM      Profile for Fleabitn     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"Mosley should be condemned for trying to ruin the sport of open-wheeled racing"

There is nothing sporting about motor racing. It is an abomination and all forms should be immediately be made an international crime.

The fifties are over.


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M. Spector
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posted 25 July 2008 12:16 PM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Fleabitn:
There is nothing sporting about motor racing.
You are quite wrong about that.

But that doesn't mean it is environmentally sustainable.


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Malcolm
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posted 25 July 2008 07:02 PM      Profile for Malcolm   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Robespierre:
This story has a nasty anti-sexual streak running right through it. If Mosley had been "caught" screwing five women in what is considered traditional straight, Christian sex, there'd be no sizzle to this story. The Sub/dom aspect is overtly being made into a crime itself.

I suppose.

But don't you think the Moseley name, tied to a "Nazi" theme made it inevitable.

Had it been F1 hean Max Mackenzie, whose father had been head of the Textile Workers Union, it wouldn't have had nearly the same cache.


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Robespierre
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posted 25 July 2008 07:29 PM      Profile for Robespierre     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm French, APR:

I suppose.

But don't you think the Moseley name, tied to a "Nazi" theme made it inevitable...


Made what inevitable?

Prejudice against sexual preferences and practices outside of what is considered acceptable by many will inevitably be used to show that "bad people" really are bad, especially if intelligent folks like us don't object' an injury to one is an injury to all. Even if you personally don't like the idea of different sexual preferences you'd better object when they are associated with things that are wrong, otherwise you get an internet full of teenagers and young adults using the word "gay" to describe anything they don't like.


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aka Mycroft
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posted 26 July 2008 07:46 AM      Profile for aka Mycroft     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Now this is interesting.

Dominatrix 'sorry' for Mosley orgy video

Here's the interesting part:

quote:
The woman, a mother-of-two who Sky said was called Michelle, said the scandal had also forced her husband to quit his job as an agent for Britain's MI5 security service.

"He decided that the best thing to do was just be right and resign and save them any embarrassment," she said.



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Michelle
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posted 26 July 2008 08:05 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Damn! You outed me!
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aka Mycroft
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posted 26 July 2008 11:54 AM      Profile for aka Mycroft     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sitting through the Mosley trial and watching the videotapes of his S&M routine has influenced this reporter's writing, I think:

quote:
the spanking that Mosley had given the News of the World would clamp the rest of the investigative media in chains.


Max Mosley verdict tightens chains on the press


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Malcolm
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posted 26 July 2008 11:58 AM      Profile for Malcolm   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Robespierre:

Made what inevitable?


I'm suggesting that it would have garnered less attention (though perhaps not no attention) if it hadn't been a "Nazi themed" event BY THE SON OF THE BUF FOUNDER.

If his father had not been the founder and leader of the British Union of Fascists, if his father had not been both a fan and a friend of Adolph Hitler, I suspect the whole thing would have gotten less attention.

(And frankly, prurient interest is principally about prurience, not about labeling someone as "bad.")


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quote:
But the New York journalist Daphne Merkin wrote a 1996 essay in which she said the brief physical pain of being spanked by her nanny was a relief from the prolonged emotional sadism of her parents.

Why is it that we automatically pathologize sexual preferances we don't like? If someone has a breast
butt or
bicep fetish, that person is considered normal. if a person likes to
cross dress, or get spanked, he or
she must have had a TERRIBLE childhood and needs "help"
Mosely hurt sexworkers, and for that he should suffer some sort of penalty, but the S&M and use of prostitutes are not by themselves a bad things to do. Heather Mallick has fallen into the trap of phycologizing sexual fetishes.

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Did the sexworkers in question consent to this whole scenario?
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Speaking of F1, Schumacher gives car dealer a bump
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M. Spector
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Max Mosley is aiming for a one-two punch against a popular British tabloid. The motor racing chief's lawyers announced Monday that Mosley will now sue the News of the World for libel after winning a privacy case last week against it.

Mosley has already won a privacy suit against British paper for claiming he engaged in a Nazi-themed orgy — a ruling that will cost the News of the World nearly 1 million pounds ($2 million) in legal costs and damages. Libel damages could add to the sting.

"Following his successful privacy claim, and the attempts by the editor and staff of the News of the World to devalue the outcome of that claim, Mr. Mosley will now be pursuing a claim for damages and aggravated damages in relation to defamatory allegations in the 6th April edition of the News of the World," the Steeles law firm said in a statement.

Britain's biggest-selling newspaper grabbed world attention when it published a front-page story alleging that Mosley engaged in an hours-long sex session with five prostitutes that involved beating, domination, and Nazi-role play.

Mosley, the president of the governing body that oversees Formula One racing, acknowledged taking part in the orgy but denied it had any kind of Nazi theme.

On Thursday a judge concurred, saying there was no evidence that Mosley's sexual encounter "was intended to be an enactment of Nazi behavior or adoption of any of its attitudes."


Globe and Mail

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Robespierre
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posted 02 August 2008 01:14 AM      Profile for Robespierre     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Fuck Max Mosley the famous rich bastard whose father was head of the largest Nazi group in the UK, and fuck all he's done to ruin Formula 1 racing.

And then, there is this other matter having to do with repression of certain sexual lifestyles, and a tabloid newspaper's attempt to exploit popular, negative mob opinion in order to sell copies of their newspaper. And, to that I say defend the rule of law that protects different people from the rule of the mob and those who influence it for their own purposes.

Yeah, too bad it's Max Mosely, but it is, so deal with it, while realizing that defending the rule of law has nothing to do with our personal opinion about an individual whose rights have been violated.

We need fewer Max Moselys on the planet, that's for sure. But, we need more laws and proper enforcement to protect us all against religious-based repression of ideas that too many people assume is the natural order of life.


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Wilf Day
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quote:
Originally posted by Robespierre:
there is this other matter having to do with repression of certain sexual lifestyles, and a tabloid newspaper's attempt to exploit popular, negative mob opinion in order to sell copies of their newspaper.

Whether it's Conrad Black or Max Mosley, people who sue newspapers for libel are seldom advocates of free expression, and seldom oppose repression of anything except their own profits.

A progressive would not attack newspapers. Robespierre is no progressive.

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posted 02 August 2008 04:31 AM      Profile for Stargazer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Is this going to continue in every single thread Wilf? If you have a problem, alert to mods. To what, exactly I don't know. Either I am a major dupe, or you have a very serious personal agenda which involves slamming another babbler whenever you can.
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remind
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Frankly, I find this last comment to be more than a bit of a clanger:
quote:
we need more laws and proper enforcement to protect us all against religious-based repression of ideas that too many people assume is the natural order of life.

As such, I can see the point Wilf is making.


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remind, Wilf doesn't give a damn what robespierre actually says. this isn't a nuanced critique. this is a smear job, disgracefully done, that wilf would be wiser to walk away from.
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Michelle
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posted 02 August 2008 08:29 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Wilf Day:
Robespierre is no progressive.

This is a personal attack, and you need to stop. I know you're pissed off at him because of what he did in another thread. A moderator has already intervened in that case, and you need to let it go. Everyone else - let's not all pile on, okay?

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aka Mycroft
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quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm French, APR:

I'm suggesting that it would have garnered less attention (though perhaps not no attention) if it hadn't been a "Nazi themed" event BY THE SON OF THE BUF FOUNDER.

If his father had not been the founder and leader of the British Union of Fascists, if his father had not been both a fan and a friend of Adolph Hitler, I suspect the whole thing would have gotten less attention.

(And frankly, prurient interest is principally about prurience, not about labeling someone as "bad.")


I agree there's some element of guilt by association here (though apparently in his younger days young Max was involved in daddy's post-WWII crypto-fascist movements). However, aside from abiding by the "don't talk about the war" maxim, has Max ever said or done anything to dissociate himself from his parents political activities? I believe brother Nicholas Mosley, by contrast, has made it clear he has no truck with Ozzie's politics. While not doing this doesn't mean Max is a closet (or bedroom) fascist it does preclude him from sympathy in my book.

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I wouldn't say we need law enforcement to do this (as my experience of law enforcement has been almost 90 percent negative and I don't believe state thugs will defend us), but I certainly do agree that we do need protection from religious based repression.

quote:
we need more laws and proper enforcement to protect us all against religious-based repression of ideas that too many people assume is the natural order of life

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Robespierre
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quote:
Originally posted by Stargazer:
I wouldn't say we need law enforcement to do this (as my experience of law enforcement has been almost 90 percent negative and I don't believe state thugs will defend us), but I certainly do agree that we do need protection from religious based repression.

A justice system controlled by and for the bourgeoisie is more than likely going to fail to protect workers and oppressed groups. Sometimes, it sheer apathy on the part of the agencies involved, and sometimes it's planned from on high to prevent laws from being applied equally to all. But in either case it can never be expected to work as its owners would have us believe it does.

I have no illusions about the role of the cops and most of the laws in bourgeois democracies: they exist to serve the bosses, not us. But when I say that I'm for 'more laws and proper enforement' to protect the working class and oppressed groups, I don't advocate this as a solution to the class contradictions that most of the justice system is designed to control. Workers need to own the justice system and all of society before any of its institutions can be relied upon to serve our interests instead of those of the oppressor class.

Many reformists feel that we can tinker with capitalism to make it more just. They aren't wrong, we can tinker with it, but we can never keep gains we make, at least not for long, until we, the working class, control society as the capitalists control it now.

I'm not against applying as much pressure on the bourgeoisie as we can, short of the final struggle for absolute control of society. In fact, I think we need to do that to create momentum for our movement as well as to fight off the bastards who would have us living hand-to-mouth, in work camps, if they could.

I have no illusions, though. You're right, Stargazer, relying on the cops to protect us has a failure rate of about 90%. We need to do much, much more than hope that they do they job in order to protect ourselves.


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George Victor
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While on socialism and sexual preferences, what do you think of Oscar Fingal O'Flahertie Wilde's "The Soul of Man Under Socialism" (1891)a play attacking George Bernard Shaw?

Oscar hadn't yet been imprisoned.

Or his comment in The Critic as Artist in "Intentions" that same year:
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"Modern journalism justifies its own existence by the great Darwinian principle of the survival of the vulgarest."


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