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Hephaestion
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posted 20 September 2005 06:03 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Photographer famous for Benetton images, provokes uproar

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Half-naked models are commonplace on Italy's advertising hoardings but a kiss between two fully dressed men has caused a furore on the streets of its capital.

Photographer Oliviero Toscani has ignited a furious debate over homosexuality with his latest adverts featuring two men kissing and groping on a sofa. The billboards have triggered outrage at a time when the rights of homosexual couples are being hotly debated in Catholic Italy.

In one poster for the men's clothing line Ra-Re, one of the models is clutching another's crotch. Another shows the same model lying across the sofa and pulling his boyfriend on top of him for a kiss.

'These posters are vulgar and a bad example for our children,' said a spokesman for the parents association MOIGE, which wants the adverts banned. 'It's not a matter of sexual orientation. They would be crass even if they featured a man and a woman.' Complaints have flooded in to the offices of Rome city council and an organisation called The Citizens Defence Movement has joined the chorus of criticism. 'Obviously we respect homosexuality but it can be difficult to explain to young children,' a spokesman said.

Toscani, who was behind the controversial Benetton clothing company adverts and whose career has been built on shock tactics, was typically unrepentant. The 63-year-old photographer admitted he had taken advantage of the current debate in Italy about the legal and civil rights of gay couples.

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During his 18-year collaboration with Benetton, Toscani was accused of cynicism in using controversial images for commercial ends. They included a dying Aids activist, handicapped children, a man slain by the Mafia, and a nun kissing a priest. In 2000 he left the company after a campaign featuring death row inmates sparked a series of law suits.


Ooooo! It's so difficult to explain to the kids! I am SO sick of that line of crapola!

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Willowdale Wizard
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posted 20 September 2005 06:58 AM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
two of the images in question:


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posted 20 September 2005 07:02 AM      Profile for Raos     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And they don't even show the actual advertisements in the article? That seemed pointless to me.

I will admit that they do sound a bit crass. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing.

Edited to add: Thanks WW. I do think the crotch grab looks a little suspect, but neither of them seem all that crass to me. I definitely don't think anybody would have objected to the second if it were a man and a woman.

[ 20 September 2005: Message edited by: Raos ]


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posted 20 September 2005 07:56 AM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So what?. Free love is great, but I would object even if it were a man and woman in the same way. Why can't we leave it where it belongs - in the bedroom?. I thought groping in public was cool ... in high school.

Man, she was sex in a pair of jeans, and I'd cream mine every time I was with her. I remember thinking at the time, as 14 year olds think, what in hell is this strange smell?. It permeates the whole room!. Was that Beavis or Butthead who goes "A-hehehehehe" ?. Or is it just the cold and austere side of my Anglo-Saxon jeanery overwhelming the Latino in me ?. hehehehehe

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Hephaestion
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posted 20 September 2005 08:05 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So the kissing one is okay, but the "groping" one is over the line, Fidel?
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posted 20 September 2005 08:10 AM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
i suspect what's annoying this "Citizens Defence Movement" is that the gay men are having fun, they're enjoying being gay.
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posted 20 September 2005 08:11 AM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh i do'no. As long as it feels good, do it I say. I wouldn't be one to stop a par-tay. Small town boy here. Cut me some slack.
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Hephaestion
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posted 20 September 2005 08:21 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
WW -- But of course! It's s'pposed to be a curse, and a misery; gawd forbid it be portrayed as positive or fun!

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Originally posted by Fidel:

Small town boy here.



Me too!

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posted 20 September 2005 09:56 AM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
When I was in Naples on my trip the grope poster was all over the place. Didn't see the other one.
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posted 20 September 2005 10:04 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Those clothes. That chesterfield.

Man, the Italians really know how to live, eh?


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Doug
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posted 20 September 2005 01:16 PM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So....if I buy the clothes, I too can be groped on an expensive leather sofa. Hmmm... Sold!
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posted 20 September 2005 01:38 PM      Profile for slimpikins     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The only thing that I find offensive about these pictures is that orange sweater. My wife would refuse to be seen in public with me if I was wearing it.
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posted 20 September 2005 02:11 PM      Profile for Crippled_Newsie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The kissing one is definitely sexier.
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Hephaestion
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posted 20 September 2005 02:22 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
... agreed, Tape. And the clothing is nicer, too!
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posted 20 September 2005 03:36 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I concur.
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posted 20 September 2005 03:38 PM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Those clothes. That chesterfield.

I'm not sold on the chesterfield. I think you'd slide off a leather couch if you tried to make out on it.

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posted 20 September 2005 04:32 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
I'm not sold on the chesterfield. I think you'd slide off a leather couch if you tried to make out on it.

It depends on how hot it is.

The weather, that's to say.


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posted 20 September 2005 05:09 PM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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The kissing one is definitely sexier.

i'm so non-chalant about kissing my boyfriend, i'll put my hand on my hip.


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Hephaestion
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posted 20 September 2005 05:35 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Willowdale Wizard:

i'm so non-chalant about kissing my boyfriend, i'll put my hand on my hip.



I think he's just trying to accentuate his ass.

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posted 20 September 2005 05:59 PM      Profile for Raos     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Looks like with good reason, too.

I'm definitely not a fan of the clothes in the first one, though. I've never liked the look of patchy jeans, though.

[ 20 September 2005: Message edited by: Raos ]


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