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Summer
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posted 11 May 2006 11:53 PM      Profile for Summer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Feel free to move this topic, I'm not sure if I'm posting in the right forum...this is an equality issue, but not necessarily (exclusively) a femisist issue.

Anyway, I'm happy to see that Lindsay Willow , a teacher, was awarded damageshere.
In 2000, two teachers (men) saw Willow and a grade 12 student leaving the locker room together. They said the student looked embarassed and accused the teacher of abuse. Even after the student and the police said nothing happened, the school continued to treat Willow as a someone not to be trusted. Her classes were monitored by the principal and her involement in extra-curriculars was cut off.

I know that women can be just as homophobic as men, but I have heard that some men are wary of lesbians because men are unnecessary to them - this is a blow to the fragile ego. This case is also an example of the common stereotype that gay people cannot control themselves and are basically promiscuous sex machines.

Edited to add qualifier some before men.

[ 12 May 2006: Message edited by: Summer ]


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Bobolink
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posted 12 May 2006 11:48 AM      Profile for Bobolink   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
An interesting stereotype about men. Anything to back it up?
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Summer
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posted 12 May 2006 12:23 PM      Profile for Summer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Apologies. I did not mean to say that all men are afraid of lesbians. I have changed my original post accordingly.

Note that I said heard, not read. I did do a quick google search just now and did find this:

"Why are lesbian women hated? Because they are living proof that things have gotten out of hand. Women are now able to be economically independent of men . . . barely, and thus are able to live a lesbian lifestyle. This has been true only within the last couple of decades. For millennia, most women had to marry in order to survive, and a lesbian life was not possible. Lesbians don't need a man. Women must be forced to "need" a man because men are justifiably afraid that they won't want a man because of the definition of the "normal" straight man. In their personal lives, lesbians fall outside male control and thus are breaking a primary rule of the system" source

Of course this is just one persons opinion, but probably not the only one. I also vaguely recall seeing a similar argument discussed on Irshad Manji's website once, but could't find it this time.

Fact: some men (and women) believe that a woman's place is in the home and it is the man's role to provide for his wife and family, thus keeping women dependant on the man for financial security.
I don't think it's a huge stretch to say that men who feel this way about all women, also feel threatened by gay women who do not need men.


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oldgoat
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posted 12 May 2006 01:05 PM      Profile for oldgoat     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There's an older thread about this here but we'll stay with this one because it's actually going somewhere. As for it's staying in the feminist forum, I dunno, we'll see how it goes.
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jester
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posted 12 May 2006 01:20 PM      Profile for jester        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Many str8 women don't need or want a man either."Why get a man when I've got a cat that stays out all night"

I've not come across the notion that men are intimidated by lesbians except for one fellow I knew who's wife left him for a cousellor at the women's resource center.

He wasn't mad or intimidated so much as bitter,very bitter. Everyone around him basically wrote it off as a lousy marriage and if he had not been an insensitive dink in the first place,his wife would not have needed support from other women.


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lucas
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posted 12 May 2006 01:41 PM      Profile for lucas     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Having taught high school for several years, I can tell you... accusations of abuse by a teacher are taken very seriously. Yes, the student recanted... thankfully. Will the teacher (lesbian or not) ever really escape that dark cloud... likely not.

That's reality today.

As a male, in my years teaching high school, I was very careful never ... not even for a second... to be alone with a student.


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Wilf Day
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posted 12 May 2006 04:30 PM      Profile for Wilf Day     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by lucas:
Yes, the student recanted... thankfully.

Not sure what incident you're referreing to here, but the student in the Nova Scotia case never said anything to recant.

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Summer
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posted 12 May 2006 04:53 PM      Profile for Summer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Wilf Day:

Not sure what incident you're referreing to here, but the student in the Nova Scotia case never said anything to recant.

Glad you posted this WD - I was going to do the same thing. To recant means to take back a previous statement or belief. The student here never made any accusations; and was consistent with what happened throughout. Of course accusations by a student have to be taken seriously. In this case, two teachers misinterpreted a look on the student's face and even after a police investigation, still treated the teacher as a criminal.

I agree with Lucas that teachers do have to be very careful to avoid situations that can even give the appearance of anything suspicious happening. I'm not sure if avoiding being alone with another student is necessary, but definitely keep the door open during one-on-one discussions.


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Sharon
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posted 12 May 2006 05:08 PM      Profile for Sharon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Will the teacher (lesbian or not) ever really escape that dark cloud...

I think Lindsay Willow will be okay. Her two accusers have lost a lot of credibility during this Commission hearing -- and, truth be told, they didn't have a lot of credibility before it started. (I know teachers and former teachers from that school.)

As far as I can judge, she has had a lot of public support.

One thing I regret is that she has spoken out today about the lack of support from her union -- and her union has declined to make any comment. I think that's pretty bad.


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lucas
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posted 15 May 2006 10:59 AM      Profile for lucas     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sorry for the mix-up re: the student recanting, you were both right... she never made an accusation in the first place. My mistake.

As for the union not backing her up, that is really no surprise. I found myself in need of the union's support and found myself with ... well.. nothing. My experience was that the union was extremely effective in achieving pay raises during negotiations every three years... they had the mechanisms and the people to accomplish THIS task. When it came to helping a member in trouble, they were like deer in the headlights. In fact, I think they sold me down the river. They were more concerned with 'optics' than helping a teacher. It's a big reason why I left teaching.

I get the feeling Ms. Willow knows what I am talking about.


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