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Eugene Plawiuk
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posted 08 February 2005 10:50 AM      Profile for Eugene Plawiuk   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In this labour dispute facts seem to be of little relevance since every sports fan is an expert. Well lets look at some facts; while everyone likes to dump on the 'over paid' players, who pays them? The owners. Who gets all the money for TV rights, concessions and parking, stadium rentals, tax breaks from cities to build stadiums, etc. etc. if the money wasn't there then these guys wouldn't own teams.

But wait that arch capitalist Peter Pocklington owned the Oilers, and Gainers and he leveraged off his businesses against each other leading to the infamous Gainers strike of 1984 when he tried to steal the workers pension funds to pay off his other business debts including his ownership of the Oilers. It was this lack of $$$ for his various businesses that led him to sell Gretzky in order to be cash rich. Then he sold the Oilers.

Canadians have a hard time with other workers salaries, its a false conciousness , a sort of misplaced understanding of how the system sucks. It goes like this: that guy is making more $$$ than me he is a jerk and shouldn't get paid so much.
Instead of saying we are all worth $20million a season for our work we want to pull other workers down to our level. Its the same in the union movement, and non union workplace- workers are paid to much are lazy etc. if they make more than me. Instead of asking how much the boss makes we take it out on each other, hey I could do that job its not hard.

And this is particularly true in sports. Since apparently the vast majority of Canadian males could play in the NHL according to their own accounts, they can't see why the players earn so much.

Red Between the Lines

Also see my commentary on Scabbing in the NHL
Albertans choose pride over players
COMPAS survey shows province identifies with teams

A survey of Albertans found that 41% approved of "replacement" players being used during the current NHL lockout, this was compared to the rest of Canada where 31% of those surveyed approved of the use of "replacement" players.

Alberta has one of the lowest unionization rates in Canada, and some of the worst labour laws, which are dismissed when not convienant to the oil industry or other business friends of the government.

In Alberta "replacement workers" are allowed during a strike or lock out, thus allowing the employer to continue working, and virtually insuring the bosses victory over the union as was the case in the failed Calgary Herald Strike.

Lets call a spade a spade, "replacement worker " is the bosses name for SCAB.
Red Between the Lines


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faith
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posted 08 February 2005 11:46 AM      Profile for faith     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have often thought that the best thing that could happen for the development of hockey would be the failure of the NHL.
During the hockey lockout we still have the junior teams , and they are drawing large crowds. The kids in minor hockey still love the game.
Canadians seem to identify so much with the sport it seems almost a failure of our society to turn what amounts to a religion with Canadians, over to business.
I don't believe that hockey itself really matters to the owners, it's a business like any other with the exception perhaps of being more gratifying to the ego than other businesses. Other businesses don't allow one to buy and sell men the way that hockey does.

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robbie_dee
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posted 08 February 2005 12:16 PM      Profile for robbie_dee     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Eugene have you seen this thread: NHL Lockout, a radical analysis?

I agree that, in light of the value that competitive sports teams provide for their community, public ownership at the highest level is needed to really "put the fans first." I don't know if that was your article on red between the lines, though, but whoever wrote it incorrectly stated that the Green Bay Packers have an average payroll "about the same as the CFL." Not true. The Packers pay their players several million dollars a year on average, while CFL salaries average in the $100,000 or below range.

I am not opposed to high salaries for athletes on principle, by the way, as the sports business is highly profitable and the atheletes are the source of that wealth because people pay to see them display their exceptional talent on the field. Widespread public ownership of sports teams would, however, probably mean both lower ticket prices and correspondingly lower salaries.


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Eugene Plawiuk
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posted 09 February 2005 08:25 AM      Profile for Eugene Plawiuk   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks Robbie great article I also heard an interview on CBC Newsworld with someone from Vancouver who set up a website promoting community and player ownership of the NHL but have not been able to google it.
I have corrected the Greenbay quote and add a link to the Republic article on my blog
Eugene

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Michelle
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posted 15 February 2005 09:18 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I just heard the comment on CBC radio that apparently there is "one day left before the season absolutely must be cancelled". Um, it's halfway through February. Face it - this season's toast no matter what happens today or tomorrow.
From: I've got a fever, and the only prescription is more cowbell. | Registered: May 2001  |  IP: Logged
Mr. Magoo
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posted 15 February 2005 10:54 AM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
How many "deadlines" and "last chances" have they gone through.

I'll be very surprised if they don't issue some kind of "last, last, last, last chance extension (Honest this time. No. Really.)".


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Boom Boom
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posted 15 February 2005 11:01 AM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Neither Goodenow (sp) nor Bettman (sp) want to go down as the ones who killed the NHL for this season and possible the next. This morning on CBC it was speculated that tomorrow's scheduled press conference will announce a $50 million salary cap and a very short NHL season and with the Stanley Cup being awarded at the end. $50 million salary cap - hey, I'm available!
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N.Beltov
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posted 15 February 2005 11:12 AM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In a recent article in the Sports section of a local paper, a Stanford U economist was quoted as saying that the key issue is the gigantic difference in revenue between the rich teams and the less rich teams. A salary cap, says this economist, will have no bearing on that problem.

He quoted a ratio of up to 25:1 in regard to that part of the revenue that richer teams have it over the less rich teams: in TV rights and in general in the benefits to some of the larger market teams. His suggestion? Subsidize the less rich teams...or get rid of them and create a "super league" of better off teams. But the NHL, of course, refuses to consider revenue-sharing or any other method of subsidizing the less rich teams.


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posted 15 February 2005 11:28 AM      Profile for spatrioter     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
At UWO Model Parliament this past weekend, the NDP government successfully passed nationalization of the NHL in its omnibus bill.
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Boom Boom
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posted 15 February 2005 11:47 AM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I stopped watching NHL games after the various expansions. To me, the NHL is Montreal, Toronto, New York, Chicago, Detroit, Boston. Having said that, I *could* be persuaded to lace up my skates again and pretend I know what I am doing for that proposed salary cap of $50million.
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