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M. Spector
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posted 30 September 2007 06:19 AM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The paranoid, racist security state continues to rage out of control:
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School security guards in Palmdale, CA have been caught on camera assaulting a 16-year-old girl and breaking her arm after she spilled some cake during lunch and left some crumbs on the floor after cleaning it up.

The incident occurred last week at Knight High School in Palmdale and was caught on a cell phone camera by another pupil who was then also assaulted by the security guards....

[T]he security guard in the picture yelled "hold still nappy-head" at her, which at the time she did not know was a racist comment....

[T]he security guards later had the mother of the girl arrested after she sought out an attorney and demanded that the guard be arrested, telling her that if she wanted the guard detained then she herself would also be charged with battery after she allegedly pushed the guard and an assistant principal of the school. She has also been suspended from her job at another school in the county.



The kid's lucky he didn't have his taser with him

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Tommy_Paine
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posted 30 September 2007 07:13 AM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I can't remember enough specifics to be able to google the exact story, but it reminds me of a case where a guy video taped a father and son having the crap kicked out of them by L.A.'s finest at a gas bar.

The guy who video taped the incident and handed it over to the media has a few minor outstanding warrants, and L.A.'s finest used that as a flimsy pretext for arresting him. And of course he "resisted" and ended up resisting so badly, they had to kick the crap out of him.

Of course, the police do this stuff because they are 100% confident that prosecutors and judges will always see it their way.

We can blame psychotic cops all we want, but it's the prosecutors and judges who make it all possible.


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M. Spector
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posted 30 September 2007 10:08 AM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't entirely agree.

In many cases the prosecutors and judges don't ever find out about the abusive behaviour of the police because there's no video of it and because the victim is intimidated into silence about it.

In addition, there is a lot of passivity among the population about this sort of abuse because they have bought the idea that living in a police state will somehow protect them from something even worse. Just look at the (non)reaction of most of the people present at the John Kerry U. Fla. tasering incident, and the choruses of support in the blogosphere for electrocuting people who dare to ask "rude" questions.

Sadistic cops know they have a lot of public support - especially when the victim is black or hispanic.


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posted 30 September 2007 11:01 AM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, what was truly weird about the Meyer incident, was not that the police think they can behave that way, but the fact that they did so without any embarassement whatsoever. They clearly thought, that is what they ought to be doing.
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posted 30 September 2007 03:23 PM      Profile for Ken Burch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
True.

Why would anyone think that the survival of the social order depends on children being beaten by police over a few crumbs?

It was CRUMBS, for God's sake!

When did the people who ran this school system lose their souls?


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M. Spector
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posted 30 September 2007 03:49 PM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The school was named after William J. "Pete" Knight, who flew 253 combat sorties in an F-100 fighter-bomber in Vietnam.

After a distinguished career of strafing and napalming villages Col. Knight retired and ran for public office. During his term in the California State Senate, Knight gained fame as the author of Proposition 22, a.k.a. the "Knight Initiative," whose entire text stated, "Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California." Voters adopted the measure on March 7, 2000 with 61.4% of the electorate in favour.

Wikipedia adds the following helpful observation:

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Knight's son, David Knight, who is gay, married his long time partner in San Francisco; the marriage was later nullified by the California Supreme Court in March of 2004.

How'd you like to be a black, gay kid at that school?

[ 30 September 2007: Message edited by: M. Spector ]


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Ken Burch
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posted 01 October 2007 12:42 AM      Profile for Ken Burch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If I was, I'd be damn sure not to drop any crumbs!

I'm guessing this Knight fella doesn't get many Father's Day gifts, either.


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Michelle
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posted 01 October 2007 02:00 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Those nasty motherfuckers.

I hope that school gets a visit from the protesters who mobilized over the Jena incident.


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Doug
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posted 01 October 2007 03:58 AM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Definitely overboard. Standard procedure for abuse of pastries is a tasering.
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posted 01 October 2007 04:47 AM      Profile for abnormal   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Definitely overboard. Standard procedure for abuse of pastries is a tasering.

I beg to differ. Assuming this was a first offence the appropriate reaction is teargas.


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posted 01 October 2007 05:53 AM      Profile for Frustrated Mess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That was a hate crime.
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posted 01 October 2007 06:37 AM      Profile for jas     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Ken Burch:

It was CRUMBS, for God's sake!


Actually, it shouldn't have mattered if it was the entire cake and she'd deliberately dropped it, smushing the chocolate into the floor with her foot. You still don't treat people that way, especially kids, who may be more prone to doing stuff like that. If it's a remand centre, and there's a lot of aggression and defiant behaviour going on all the time, then maybe I can understand a cop or toy-cop losing it, and over-reacting; but this was a high school. The guard clearly doesn't understand his role. He should be fired and the school administration should be prosecuted.


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posted 01 October 2007 06:42 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Exactly. I was thinking that too, jas, that whether or not she did what she was told by this asshole doesn't matter a bit. You don't have fucking COPS patrolling lunch rooms at schools, looking for kids who drop stuff on the floor, and breaking their limbs for it.

I wish the rest of the kids had rioted and beaten the living hell out of the pig. It's time for people to rise up against this sort of fascism. I'm not one for violence, but maybe it's time for people to fight back against this sort of thing. They can't expel the whole school.

[ 01 October 2007: Message edited by: Michelle ]


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posted 01 October 2007 06:55 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Portrait of a Pig:


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jas
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I think there should be mass cake-spillings taking place across the country.

This could lend itself even to a new idiom entering the American lexicon: "to spill one's cake": to defy
unjust, unreasonable, and unlawful authority.

Cake-spillers, to arms!


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posted 01 October 2007 09:14 AM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
I hope that school gets a visit from the protesters who mobilized over the Jena incident.
Rally protests security guard acts

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Michelle
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posted 01 October 2007 09:27 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Don't you love it? The security guard was suspended WITH pay. The Black mother who merely protested her daughter's brutalization by Mr. Skinhead Pig? She's suspended from HER job (which has nothing to do with the incident) WITHOUT pay.

But I'm sure there's no racism involved.


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posted 01 October 2007 10:45 AM      Profile for 1234567     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What this is really about is how our society treats children: like they are possessions to be treated in any way, that you as the owner, want to treat them. This kind of thinking is passed on from generation to generation. No doubt those security people were treated the same way when they were kids, disrespected as humans and so they only responded in the way that they knew how.
This is a European way of treating children, hence boarding schools. Children to be seen and not heard.

How can you all be surprised this happened? It happens everyday in small degrees to children everywhere. They learn what we teach them and we as a society have taught them to be bullies. We bully children. That is what we do. Look around you. Watch when you are in a line up at a store, how the store clerk treats a young person. It is just awful. Awful.


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jas
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posted 01 October 2007 12:07 PM      Profile for jas     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by 1234567:
What this is really about is how our society treats children:

No it isn't. It's about racism and increasingly police-state kinds of actions, including a privatized military in Iraq (and by the same token, militarized private security at home) since 9/11. So that even high school security guards get to use riot-police tactics in the name of law and order and democracy in America.


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posted 01 October 2007 02:58 PM      Profile for Agent 204   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The two claims are not incompatible. The establishment hates kids, and hates blacks, so it shouldn't be a surprise if they hate black kids even worse than most.
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posted 01 October 2007 03:26 PM      Profile for Frustrated Mess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
What this is really about is how our society treats children

No it is not. This is about a racist, emotionally and intellectually stunted bully placed in a position of authority. His demands and his actions are entirely reminiscent of a school yard bully.

What should be frightening is that such a person is not rare among those who hold positions of authority and that in general they will be supported over their victims no matter the violence committed.


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quote:
Originally posted by Frustrated Mess:

No it is not. This is about a racist, emotionally and intellectually stunted bully placed in a position of authority. His demands and his actions are entirely reminiscent of a school yard bully.

What I find more frightening and significant is not that such a person would exist in a position of power, but that the system would leap to his defence with such ferocity following his atrocious actions. Four people arrested, and he wasn't one of them?


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posted 02 October 2007 01:42 AM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Agent 204:
The two claims are not incompatible. The establishment hates kids, and hates blacks, so it shouldn't be a surprise if they hate black kids even worse than most.

I agree both points are valid. Though the obvious racial motivation of this assault takes precedent. Ugly.

The cops in the US, wether they be highway patrol, or school security are completely out of control.


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posted 02 October 2007 03:43 AM      Profile for Makwa   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Cueball:
The cops in the US, wether they be highway patrol, or school security are completely out of control.
As one who knows from painful experience, Canadian security personnell and police can not claim any moral high road compared to their compatriots in the USA.

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Me? I totally disagree. That is my experience.

I know what you are saying. Anyone who thinks that Canadian cops are not ever violent or overstep the need for force, are fooling themselves. The cops here are often violent, and police burtality is a serious issue.

On the other hand pound for pound the amount of completely gratuitous violence metted out against US citizens by the police there is by far and away greater that what Canadians experience. That is my experienced based on living in major urban centers both here and there.

As far as I can tell, they don't even seem to think that their might be something wrong with it, so as to pretend they are not doing it. They actually go out and stir shit up in a way I have never seen cops here do.

Does this equate to moral high ground? That depends on how you look at it I guess.

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As a victim of both Canadian and US state sanction terror in the form of police and border guards .. I don't think i was too concerned about who statistically abused more!!

Abuse is Abuse !!!
.. Say the US abuses 3 times a day, and Canada abuses 3 times a week, both are outrageous and nothing to be proud of.


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posted 02 October 2007 01:22 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well. I am.
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posted 02 October 2007 05:31 PM      Profile for AfroHealer   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Cueball:
Well. I am.

You are what?

Please tell me you are not saying you are proud of reduced brutality, as opposed to being proud of the respect for fundamental human rights !


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I am saying that what is going on in the United States is no longer proto-Fascist, but really fascist.
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quote:
Originally posted by Cueball:
I am saying that what is going on in the United States is no longer proto-Fascist, but really fascist.

Ditto for Canada. Our home ON native land.


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