She mentioned her husband is a proud union member. Pfffft. Republicans hate unions so why even mention?

She said she would help smash the glass ceiling for women. I didn't know Republicans admitted there was a glass ceiling.

I am still somewhat inspired, as a women, about this choice. I am certainly curious. I thought I saw her introduce all her children, and she mentioned her youngest born in April? It COULD be her grandchild but it sounded like it was her own child?? I guess American women take only 6 weeks off but I didn't think a Governor would be pregnant... if so, kudos to her. I just had a child myself in June and I can't imagine!!

I've been saying for years that the GOP should look seriously at nominating a female VP candidate. When Democrats have won, the margin of victory has generally been provided by female voters. Clinton trounced Dole among unmarried women, who make up 20% of the voting population, 62-28. He beat Dole among married women (33%) 48-43 but lost among married men (also 33%) 40-48. As Amy Gardner said on The West Wing, "if only men voted, the GOP would be the left-wing party."

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So what do you think about Sarah Palin? I just saw her speech. A few comments...

She mentioned her husband is a proud union member. Pfffft. Republicans hate unions so why even mention?

She said she would help smash the glass ceiling for women. I didn't know Republicans admitted there was a glass ceiling.

I am still somewhat inspired, as a women, about this choice. I am certainly curious. I thought I saw her introduce all her children, and she mentioned her youngest born in April? It COULD be her grandchild but it sounded like it was her own child?? I guess American women take only 6 weeks off but I didn't think a Governor would be pregnant... if so, kudos to her. I just had a child myself in June and I can't imagine!!

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Congratulations as well on your baby!

1. She will likey be a great campaigner giving stump speeches. She will draw in large numbers of the "vast middle" voters who will be able to identify with her background ("Average Jane" who is not a career politico).

2. Given her lack of experience, I have doubts about her debate skills. Although, there is only one VP debate.

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Palin supports the aerial hunting of wolves and bears, and even spent $400,000 of state money to fund a media campaign to try and convince Alaskans to support aerial shooting (even though Alaskans have voted against it, twice!).

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Whoa - you had a baby in June??? Congratulations! That's amazing!

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Palin is strongly opposed to abortion and supports capital punishment. While running for Governor of Alaska, Palin supported the teaching of creationism alongside evolution in schools.

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She opposes same-sex marriage, but she has stated that she has gay friends and is receptive to gay and lesbian concerns about discrimination.

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Palin: I am older and more experienced than Dan Quayle was

Biden: Gov Palin, I worked with Dan Quayle, I served with Dan Quayle, despite our differences Dan Quayle was a friend of mine. Gov Palin you are no Dan Quayle

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I think Obama and his team made a stupid egotistical move in not having Clinton as his running mate.

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Originally posted by Sine Ziegler:

I wonder how many American's think she should be at home with her kids instead of campaigning and possibly VP'ing. I have to admit, I had a twinge of that too. Who is taking care of her little one?? Maybe her unionzed husband has special parental leave

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It's a Girl!

They also wonder if she's a better basketball player than Obama.

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McCain's pick of Palin means a fifth presidential/vice presidential debate should be added to the calendar. A cross-ticket game of horse between Barack Obama and Sarah Palin. Obama has the upper hand because he plays regularly, but Palin has played ball on a bigger stage than Obama ever has. It would rival the Michael Jordan vs. Larry Bird showdown.

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See, I don't buy that line. Nobody watches or cares about the VP debate. Quayle got pantsed by Bentsen on national TV and became the butt of every late-night joke, and still went on to victory.

The Palin choice also forces Biden to go into 'statesman' mode rather than 'attack dog' mode. He will only win the debate by appearing more 'Vice Presidential', otherwise he'll just look like a McCain-esque cranky old white guy attacking a younger, woman candidate.

[Edited to add quote so it makes sense. Also, what Left J.A.B. said.]

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I do not believe left leaning women in the USA will flock to the Republicans because Palin is McCain's running mate. As such, it is probably a long term non-event for the Repubs, and its only value will be to decrease the post DNC bump in the polls by the democrats by deflecting attention away.

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Originally posted by Ghislaine:
One thing I have noticed (happily) is that she is being referred to as Palin, rather than Sarah. That is a nice change further to a brief discussion I had on here a few days ago.

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Certainly capital-F feminists won't be impressed but the "blue-collar" working women who almost put Hillary over the top might be, as will their husbands. She is a working mom with a narrative that rivals obama for inspiration. For the next few days the news cycle will be filled with background stories about this inspiring woman and her interesting story and punditry about how brave McCain was for making this outside-the-box choice. Democrats are likely crapping their pants/looking for dirt.

On abortion, she will argue that she is a Feminist for Life and while that won't impress the Andrea Dworkins of the world I think the silent majority that is generally but not passionately pro-choice will find her more compelling than repelling.

Hope I'm wrong. The Democrats had better get to work immediately to brand this woman.

ADDING:

... Which seems to be what they're up to.

I'm not the "ultra right" tag will work - she fought to keep state-owned business in public hands and veoted bills that would have banned same-sex spousal benefits.

And I'm not sure if the "inexperienced" tag will work either - especially when the Democrats are running a junior Senator for President. I fear that the Dan Quayle comparison is entirely based on the fact that she's an attractive woman - and must therefore be dumb. Even if they do succeed I'll not that the Democrats kicked the shit out of Dan Quayle in 1988 and lost anyway.

Hmmm

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One thing I have noticed (happily) is that she is being referred to as Palin, rather than Sarah. That is a nice change further to a brief discussion I had on here a few days ago.

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I don't know; I have been assuming its the same as Michael Palin although its probably about all they have in common.

ETA: Well according to the Wizard I am correct then...

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PAY-lin.

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I fear that the Dan Quayle comparison is entirely based on the fact that she's an attractive woman - and must therefore be dumb

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I think that's a bit kooky. Unless you are suggesting Quayle was/is a Himbo.

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I do not believe left leaning women in the USA will flock to the Republicans because Palin is McCain's running mate.

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Originally posted by Left J.A.B.:

I think that's a bit kooky. Unless you are suggesting Quayle was/is a Himbo.

It has much more to do with a thin resume. As well it has been the Republicans that have been using the inexperienced tag. All this does is undermine their big argument against Obama. What do they have left? After last night not very damn much.

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On another note: I don't get the "strongly opposed" to same-sex marriage charge against her.

As far as I can tell, she supports "unions" instead of "marriage" which puts her in the same boat as Obama.

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I'm a little concerned about how quickly Democrats are jumping on the"beauty queen" angle.

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...He’s targeting the vast middle. That’s where this election will be won or lost.

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but I think, at some point, a Democrat male will say something that goes too far and a lot of American women will be really really turned off.

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I try and imagine how outraged Democrats would be if the Republicans were trying to paint one of their candidates as a empty-headed because she happened to be attractive.

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Sarah Palin - Feministing

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I want to see more women of all parties involved in politics. But, as we stated over and over in the primaries, a politician's gender isn't everything. It's merely one factor to be considered. And quite frankly, Palin's political views suck.

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Having a woman deny other women their rights doesn't make it less vile, it makes it worse actually.

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First up, she's super anti-choice. The forced-pregnancy crowd is thrilled today! (She recently had her fifth child, who has Down's syndrome.) She's against marriage equality and supports a federal gay-marriage ban, but has made sure to note that she "has gay friends."

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Bill Kristol was claiming McCain would pick Palin -- and that would prove that Republicans are "much more open to strong women." Frankly, that's bullshit. Republicans are more open to a certain type of woman -- one who is strongly against things like equal pay, universal health care, and reproductive freedom. In other words, the party is pro-woman-candidates, as long as they enact anti-woman policies.

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This is the really kickers for me - she gets ahead by kicking women in the teeth.

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The pick of Palin is dripping with transparent condescension, the notion that the enthusiasm behind Hillary was simply the result of her being a woman, that it had nothing to do with what she actually stood for, and in that sense it's equally sexist.

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I try and imagine how outraged Democrats would be if the Republicans were trying to paint one of their candidates as a empty-headed because she happened to be attractive.

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Because they are smarter than me here is an article at Feministing that explains my distaste for this pandering.

Sarah Palin - Feministing

Exactly.

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Some of the comments over at that feministing link are quite anti-feminist:

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As the mother of young children myself, my immediate thought was, "What is she doing running for VP with a 4-month old?! That baby needs her around, not traveling all over the country giving stump speeches!" Of course, I then felt immediately guilty for this, and realized that I never once had a similar thought about Obama being absent from his girls' lives. Still, her baby is only 4 months old! I don't know -- I guess I have strongly conflicting feelings about this news.

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I also think that there has to be a way to point out the problem with having the mother of a four-month-old with Down's syndrome on the ticket. Obviously, in no way am I saying that moms shouldn't work (which is exactly how a lot of Republicans will spin it), but I don't know any woman, Democrat or Republican, who would leave a special-needs infant plus four other children to do such an unbelievably difficult and time-consuming job. My mother is a nurse who works with newborns, and her reaction to Palin was along the lines of "is that women batshit crazy?"

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If she pulls it off looking smart and personable the Democrats have a serious problem. If not, McCain's done them a favour.

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As the mother of young children myself, my immediate thought was, "What is she doing running for VP with a 4-month old?! That baby needs her around, not traveling all over the country giving stump speeches!" Of course, I then felt immediately guilty for this, and realized that I never once had a similar thought about Obama being absent from his girls' lives. Still, her baby is only 4 months old! I don't know -- I guess I have strongly conflicting feelings about this news.

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Is it because she's attractive or because she apparently believes beauty pageants are "a good thing".

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All I know is a lot of American women enter beauty pageants for the same reason they join the army: it's a way to get a scholarship.

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The pick of Palin is dripping with transparent condescension, the notion that the enthusiasm behind Hillary was simply the result of her being a woman, that it had nothing to do with what she actually stood for, and in that sense it's equally sexist.

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All I know is a lot of American women enter beauty pageants for the same reason they join the army: it's a way to get a scholarship.

I think the worst concievable thing the Democrats can do is start attacking a self-made woman because she competed for Miss Alaska. I can already see Republicans giggling with glee as a professor from New York explains how any American who watches beauty pageants must be a sexist.

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Beauty pageants are sexist and they are harmful to women and girls everywhere. I'm not sure a scholarship outweighs this harm, morally. Nor am I convinced that's the primary reason women enter beauty pageants. (And surely it would be easier to get a scholarship based on good marks or even athletic achievement than to win a beauty pageant.)

ETA: I could direct them to any number of women - not professors and not from New York - who could explain what is wrong with beauty pageants.

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Beauty pageants are sexist and they are harmful to women and girls everywhere. I'm not sure a scholarship outweighs this harm, morally.

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You're right and I am being over-the-top.

I just think it's a dangerous avenue of attack.

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She did do it for a scholarship according to wiki. How did it harm her though?

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I am arguing that beauty pageants harm women and girls. I haven't expanded the point because I've assumed the thesis was familiar. It's an old argument but a good one!

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As the mother of young children myself, my immediate thought was, "What is she doing running for VP with a 4-month old?! That baby needs her around, not traveling all over the country giving stump speeches!" Of course, I then felt immediately guilty for this, and realized that I never once had a similar thought about Obama being absent from his girls' lives. Still, her baby is only 4 months old! I don't know -- I guess I have strongly conflicting feelings about this news.

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"After running a strong race for lieutenant governor as an unknown in 2002, she made her mark on Alaska politics as a commissioner of a state oil and gas commission, when she tried to expose GOP officials with improper ties to the industry, and eventually resigned in 2004 after her complaints were ignored."

"She also surprised Alaska's conservatives by vetoing a bill that would have denied state benefits to same-sex couples (though that might help her appeal to less socially conservative independents)."

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Originally posted by RosaL:

I am arguing that beauty pageants harm women and girls. I haven't expanded the point because I've assumed the thesis was familiar. It's an old argument but a good one!

(I'm working on something right now so I'm reluctant to get into this - anyone else want to take this up?)

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Palin's reaction to this, and the subsequent reactions of her constituents, indicates that she's pretty savvy.

If she handles herself this well in the coming months the Democrats have a problem.

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Will you tell me what she said? I cannot view videos.

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Here's the Democrat attack lines on her.

You know what would have been smart? Finding a WOMAN to comment.

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I had been anticipating McCain's response to be something like: "I served with Abe Lincoln. I knew Abe Lincoln. Abe Lincoln was a friend of mine. Senator, you're no Abe Lincoln."

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I feel jealous of some parts of the life she has lived:

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Originally posted by Left J.A.B.:
With this nomination and Obama's nomination and in someways Hilory Rohdam Clinton being considered 'experienced' I am starting to wonder if this is the American Idolization of American politics. You are no longer expected to pay your dues and work your way up. You can just slot in where ever you want based on some kind of talent contest and viola - there you go.
Just a thought.

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- wiki

She's a piece of work. I'm not inspired to have a woman run for VP when's she just as into oppression as the rest of the white dudes.

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I'll give McCain this.

He's turned Obama's triumphant speech at convention into a one-day news story.

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I don't think you have to, I think most people here would agree that judging women solely or largely on their beauty (and that is inherent in BEAUTY pageant) is a sexist tradition. There's no equivalent for men. Enough said.

All that noted, much as people who oppose wars like the one in Iraq end up in the army, women who call themselves feminists end up in beauty pageants.

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Oh really, thanks I was too stupid to know that. I take it you have never heard the term 'pay your dues' it is a common enough term used to describe things like working musicians and the struggle of touring from the crappiest of venues, to shitholes, to crappy venues, to grossly digusting venues, to puke on the floor venues, then on to a unkown bar in Killer Duck, Alberta, then to some larger bars and so on.

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Oh really, thanks I was too stupid to know that. I take it you have never heard the term 'pay your dues' it is a common enough term used to describe things like working musicians and the struggle of touring from the crappiest of venues, to shitholes, to crappy venues, to grossly digusting venues, to puke on the floor venues, then on to a unkown bar in Killer Duck, Alberta, then to some larger bars and so on.

American politics seems to have become a place where you can now just say 'hey I know I haven't really done any heavy lifting, but gosh wouldn't it be cool to be President, or if I have to wait Vice President"

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McCain and Biden have done a ton of heavy lifting.

Obama and Palin are "outsiders" with interesting narratives.

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No 98 Pound Weaklings Here

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Yes, it shores up the "leary" religious right, regarding pro-life actions and possible future laws. But it also plays into their notions of the "end days" and Bible prophecy. In fact, it could signify to them the "new covenent" is on its way.

Sarah, after all, was the wife of Abraham, and God especially blessed "Sarah" to bring the future kingdom of God on earth in, and this stated in the Abrahamic Covenant regarding the end days. Say nothing about the historical conflict set up by the relations between Sarah and Hagar, and their decendants

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As New Covenant believers we become the heirs of Abraham: Romans 9:6-8 "For not all Israelites are true Israelites nor are all Abraham's descendants his children, but as Scripture says, 'through Isaac shall your descendants be called.' That means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God; it is the children of the promise who are to be considered descendants."

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Plus, God, in Genesis, also implores Abraham to listen to Sarah. Therefore, if God has raised a "Sarah" to be VP, then all should listen to her too. I am going to watch for this sentiment to be spread, perhaps covertly, in "Christian" speak, throughout the Republican campaign.

ETA: IMV, it is a brilliant ploy to further suck in the religious right, and perhaps other religious in the USA, who believe that the USA is thee manifest destiny of the world. And non-Christians simply would not get what they are doing propganda wise with this.

The second point is, is there really a middle in the USA at the moment? I believe it is pretty polarized.

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The next time I see a man in a bathing suit being assigned a number based on their attractiveness I'll rescind my comments.

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Palin supports the aerial hunting of wolves and bears, and even spent $400,000 of state money to fund a media campaign to try and convince Alaskans to support aerial shooting (even though Alaskans have voted against it, twice!).

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With regard to supporters of Hillary, I’ve read numerous statements that about 25% of her women supporters are undecided between Obama and McCain. Having Palin on the ticket will undoubtedly sway some percentage of those voters to vote for McCain. The million dollar question is: What is that percentage?

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According to the survey, neither presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama nor Republican presidential nominee John McCain has secured a clear majority of women, who have decided every presidential election since 1968. Obama garnered 49% to McCain's 38%, and 6% of these women said they were only leaning toward a candidate. With 90 days to go until Election Day, 10% of women are firmly undecided, indicating either candidate has a shot at becoming the next president.

...The Race for Women Could Be Tight
• Neither Obama nor McCain has secured support from a majority of women voters. While 49% of women polled said they are supporting Obama and 38% are supporting McCain, 10% of women are undecided, suggesting the race for women could become close.
• While Obama is doing well with minority women, with support from 89% of African-Americans and 62% of Hispanics, McCain garnered support from nearly half of Caucasian women surveyed (47% vs. 38% for Obama). Hispanic women (14%) were more undecided than African-Americans (4%) or Caucasians (11%).

The Veepstakes: Does Gender Matter?
• The majority of women voters polled say gender does not matter. Obama's selection of a woman running mate makes no difference to 55% of women voters, and McCain's selection of a woman as his #2 makes no difference to 62%.
• However, Obama would benefit twice as much as McCain from offering the second slot to a woman (29% more likely to support Obama if he picks a woman vs. 15% who would be more likely to support McCain). Selecting a woman #2 would result in a net negative for McCain. While 15% said they would be more likely to support McCain if he picked a woman, 20% said they would be less likely to pick him if a woman were on his ticket.
• Forty-seven percent of Hillary Clinton's primary voters said they'd be more likely to vote for Obama if he chose a woman running mate, and 4% said less likely. This is the exact breakdown of current Obama supporters overall. However, Hillary's primary supporters were largely unmoved by a woman on McCain's ticket (59%).

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Now during the last seven years of Prophet Daniel, Seth descendants will rule first for there and half years whose government will be headed by the biblical prophet and his High Priest prior to the second coming of the Messiah from Above.

While the second three and half years will be ruled by Cain descendants and the first Adams which names were not list in the genealogy of the Sabbath Adam since from the creation of the world from Seth will worship the beast known as the Antichrist and will introduce the official mark of Cain, implying that all the followers of his religion must have his mark which was giving to him since from the creation of the world after he killed Abel because the battle is between Cain and Abel and Abel repents the Lamb slain from the creation of the world, whose blood will be demanded from this evil generation as Jesus also testified, for the fact that Abel was shed in the process of sacrifice, he now represent the Lamb of God slain from the creation of the earth while Cain descendants represents all those whose names were not written in the Abel book of life after the flood who was replaced by Seth and Cain now represent the Devil being the murderer from the beginning as Jesus also testified. Therefore Cain and his associate nations became the nations of Gog and Magog in the end-time.( Gen. 4: 1-end, John 8:44, Mat. 23:33-35 & Rev. 13:5-10).

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On August 7, 2008, the Republican Party chief, George W. Bush, commanded an attack on South Ossetia. The Russians retaliated on August 8, 2008 (8/8/8). All this helped pave the way for “tough guy” John McCain at the Republican convention. He is “Mc Cain”, meaning “Son of Cain” from the Biblical story of Cain and Abel. (Acknowledgement to Rumor Mill News). Cain carries a “mark” (a badge) authorizing his presence wherever he goes.

But the cunning Russians, realizing Son of Cain was being pre-positioned, fired back with their “Hurricane Gun.” And now, Maeve Reston, writing in the Los Angeles Times, foresees the developing Hurricane (Hurry-CAIN) Gustav could postpone the Republican convention. “If there is serious damage in the Gulf Coast, images of Republicans partying in Minneapolis-St. Paul could be an embarrassing reminder of the Bush administration's delayed response to Hurricane Katrina three years ago,” observes Reston. (“Storm could postpone Republican convention”, by Maeve Reston. L.A. Times, Aug. 29, 2008)

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In these passages Yahweh tells his people Israel that he will make that Old Jerusalem a land of abomination and desolation. Matthew 24:2,15.
He will give them a NEW JERUSALEM!
That New Jerusalem is the United States of America.
Psalms 122:3 "Jerusalem is builded together as a city that is compacted [united] together."
Psalms 122:5 "For there are set thrones of judgment, the thrones of the house of David." The United States of America has only one King that is Jesus Christ; Who sit's on the throne of David.
In Zechariah 2:1-4 he said an angle will measure Jerusalem, the breath thereof and the length thereof and that Jerusalem shall be inhabited as towns without walls for the multitude of men and cattle therein.
The United States of America is a land of milk and honey.
A nation that borrows from non and lends to all. Deuteronomy 15:6
It will never be defeated in war and it will be a gathering of my people from my nations!

Nations are families with Kings, which are the tribes of Israel. The nation with representatives gathered into it from all tribes of Israel, the greatest nation that has ever existed in all recorded history. The only nation founded by those who believe in Jesus Christ as the virgin-born Son of God, is the United States of America!

It is also important for Christians to understand the nature of the "temple" that will be built in the New Jerusalem, which God will bless.
Every Christian should know this, so that they will not be deceived by ministers who preach "lying divinations" about the Old Jerusalem and those who call themselves Jews.

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You folks should all be watching CNN - they have Palin on video some time ago calling Hillary Clinton a "whiner", but today calling herself the fulfillment of the Hillary promise and the final shatterer of the 'glass ceiling'. They have a crew in NYC asking women on the sidewalks if they'd vote for Palin on the Repug ticket, and so far it's something like 10 "no" to one "yes".

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- HRC put out a statement about 3 hours ago saying:

"We should all be proud of Governor Sarah Palin’s historic nomination, and I congratulate her and Senator McCain. While their policies would take America in the wrong direction, Governor Palin will add an important new voice to the debate."

- People magazine says McCain denies Palin has a short resume:

"She first ran for office back in 1992. I don’t know what Senator Obama was doing then, but the first time she ran was 1992. That’s 16 years. I think that’s a pretty, pretty event-filled and record-filled resume."

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I doubt if any of us know what the actual conversations went like between the two camps. I have no doubt in my mind that the two camps talked and the result was no nomination for Vp for Clinton. It is just as feasible that behind closed doors her team said she didn't want it. If that were the case it would not be good form to offer it too her and would be a very bad political move to have her refuse it. But I don't know.

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Not by a long shot jester, and frankly, IMV it is sexist to say such a thing.

"If you could make history, would you vote for a woman, just because of that?"

Her response, and I will bet for the majority of women not already McCain supporters- No way. If all things were equal maybe, but Conservatives whether here or there never represent equality.

'Troopergate' inquiry lurks

Letters to the editor: (8/4/08)

Anatomy of a scandal

[ 29 August 2008: Message edited by: MCunningBC ]

DAYTON, OHIO - John McCain camp responded this week to Barack Obama's choice of VP with a stunning choice, bringing on Alaska Governor Sarah Palin.

"Not only will Mrs. Palin help woo Hillary supporters," thought John McCain. "It also ensures the average age of our ticket is 58, only three years off the Obama/O'Biden Ticket."

The choice of Governor Palin brought wide acclaim from across the political spectrum.

"I've never heard of her before," said one pundit, "but then again if the Democrats can nominate someone from Hawaii, then it only makes sense for the Republicans to choose a Vice President from Alaska."

"Sarah Palin does for John McCain, what Joe Biden does for Barack Obama," said a designer. "Her name looks good on his signs. No one wants a name like Pawlenty of Hutchinson on their sign, it would be a campaign killer. Like Obama, McCain chose a candidate whose name sounds similar and who has under than 12 characters between them."

Republicans were equally enthused about the choice.

"It is great to have a woman on the ticket," said one grey haired old guy. "We can get all of the votes and only pay her half as much as the president."

(thedapper.com)

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Or, if you prefer reality, from 1992 to 2006, she was a city councillor, or mayor, of a town of 8500 people. For two years, she's been the governor of a state with 650 000 people.

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