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Tommy_Paine
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posted 12 March 2006 08:17 AM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I just learned that we have a tentative agreement where I work. Bargaining has been down to the wire.

In my twenty five years, I do not remember a time when I have been so ill prepared and vulnerable to a strike.

Excuse me, while I whistle past the grave yard, then do the don't have to go on strike dance, then do the oh, shit, gotta go to work tonight shuffle.


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skdadl
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posted 12 March 2006 09:19 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Congratulations, and a big "Whew!" Tommy P.
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lagatta
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posted 12 March 2006 09:50 AM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh Tommy, I'm so glad to hear that, especially in light of the situation in other plants close by.

My friend over in Europe got a similar reprieve; not from a strike, but from his plant's production being shifted to a lower-wage plant in the East. It probably will be in a few years, but at least he'll be able to take early retirement by then...


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alisea
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posted 12 March 2006 10:29 AM      Profile for alisea     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Phew, Tommy, I'm glad you've dodged the bullet for now.
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Michelle
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posted 12 March 2006 11:22 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm so relieved for you, Tommy.

I've always kind of thought that it must be a very different financial mindset to work at a plant with a union that is often having to strike to get a decent contract, like auto workers. I certainly don't have three (or six) months worth of salary saved up "for a rainy day" but I would think that would constantly be a worry in the back of my mind if I were to work at a job where the employers are such assholes that they force strikes as a bargaining strategy. And I know for myself that I'm often having some "emergency" or other unexpected expense that wipes out any small savings I might manage to build up over a few months.

It's something I've always wondered - how do autoworkers and members of other militant (I say that in a positive way) unions cope with this problem? Is there a different financial mindset, kind of like, "I'm only financially okay if I have three months worth of salary in savings"?

I can't imagine having to live like that. It must be like an axe over your head. I'm glad you dodged it this time, Tommy.


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Jimmy Brogan
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posted 12 March 2006 11:55 AM      Profile for Jimmy Brogan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

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Tommy_Paine
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posted 12 March 2006 12:32 PM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It ratified by 90%, Jimmy.

See ya tomorrow.


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unionist
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posted 12 March 2006 12:44 PM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
It's something I've always wondered - how do autoworkers and members of other militant (I say that in a positive way) unions cope with this problem? Is there a different financial mindset, kind of like, "I'm only financially okay if I have three months worth of salary in savings"?

Almost all collective agreements get renewed without strikes or lockouts. Of all the worries unionized workers have about job security or income security, the prospect of a strike is near the bottom, in my experience. And I don't understand what you mean (even in a positive way) by "militant unions". Do you think they strike more often?? Auto workers certainly don't.

The way unions prepare for strikes is through putting together solid strike funds and combining good bargaining tactics and reasoned analysis with calculated threats. A strike is a sign of failure, but one which cannot always be avoided, because it takes two to find a reasonable, non-mutually destructive solution. And as in warfare, the threat is usually more effective than the execution.

As for the members, I don't think most workers "prepare" for strikes in a general way, because they're so rare. I lived through a strike that lasted just over three months once -- pretty brutal -- but that was the only time, and I suspect the majority of unionized workers never see that much over a whole career. When a relationship is particularly dysfunctional, I know members who sock away some money, but it's so unpredictable that it never really works. Most strikes, rare as they are, are short.

[ 12 March 2006: Message edited by: unionist ]


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Tommy_Paine
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posted 12 March 2006 12:45 PM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks for the well wishes, everyone.

We cope Michelle, by having savings which I almost always have had in the past. I also arrange loans (ahem-- usually) so that they don't carry over a contract.

People will let you slide a bit on bills, if need be and in hard cases the union helps out by negotiating on bills and if possible when necessary, helping out with money.

Banks don't really want to take your house if they can avoid it, and the worst strikes don't go much past a month or two, and at my place the track record is about six weeks.

Bad as all that sounds, the life of a contract worker seems more difficult to me.

Since my separation and ensuing divorce, I've accumulated a bit of debt, which is what has made me vulnerable this time. That should be taken care of, or mostly taken care of at the end of this contract, all things staying the same.

Which of course, they won't.


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robbie_dee
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posted 12 March 2006 02:06 PM      Profile for robbie_dee     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Congratulations, Tommy, and good luck.
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