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bruce_the_vii
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posted 08 June 2008 06:00 PM      Profile for bruce_the_vii     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
One statistics on jobs is the annual hiring nationally can be 29% of the employment total. People move around constantly. In fact it lubricates the job market. I'd have to say quiting your job is how employees get heard and what employers test for. It's part of the way things work.

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madmax
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posted 09 June 2008 05:58 AM      Profile for madmax   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, people are moving around, and the numbers are significant.

However the benefits of moving and constantly shifting jobs is not resulting in higher wages or better opportunities.

The movement is significant, but the wages are flat.

So what was true in the past is not in the present. Employers and Employees are rapidly losing the bond for one another. Temp services replace disgruntled workers on a dailey basis. Recirculationg the same labour force over and over again. Each year the number of people to move through the revolving door increases, wages continue to decline and the parasite in the middle continues to reap the rewards.

Quitting you job, without sustainable employment is not a wise choice.

Employers today are setting up operations with 80 to 85% of the labour supplied through permanent temp/placement agencies.

There are still many places with labour shortages and lower wages because of the agencies taking the larger cut.

Quitting your job today is a very risky endeavour, and for those who are forced from their employment through plant closures, are not going to benefit in the new economy.

Starting your own business is the best bet.

Find a good mousetrap

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Michael Hardner
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posted 09 June 2008 08:29 AM      Profile for Michael Hardner   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think that the 'temp agency' route is a temp-orary solution.

Firms with sound management practices who value their people will retain employees longer, and be able to pay lower wages.

There are too many firms out there with dinosaur-era management practices that need to be exposed. One thing we can do is create a societal awareness of bad management practices. That will help to drive change for the better.


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It's Me D
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posted 09 June 2008 12:07 PM      Profile for It's Me D     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
dinosaur-era management practices

unfortunately things have only gotten worse since said era; the end of long-term employment and the beginning of drive-down wage no benefit temporary jobs is the modern era... it almost makes one miss those "dinosaur" days


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Michael Hardner
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posted 09 June 2008 01:37 PM      Profile for Michael Hardner   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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unfortunately things have only gotten worse since said era; the end of long-term employment and the beginning of drive-down wage no benefit temporary jobs is the modern era... it almost makes one miss those "dinosaur" days

Whether or not wages/benefits are driven down, you are always dealing with a labour market. Good management practices will give you an advantage in attracting people, no matter what the job.

They're paying 20% more minimum for temp workers, and eventually they'll figure this out and smarten up.


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Fidel
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posted 09 June 2008 02:39 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ya this isn't the 1960's or 70's when people quit their manufacturing or steel job for a higher paying one down the road. Nobody comes in the front door anymore with news that they're hiring 500 or a thousand guys down at the mill. We've got surpluses of some highly educated workers and not enough of others, and those imbalances vary across the country. Canada's is ruthlessly inefficient labour market while the oil and gas holds out. After that we'll be forced to ditch the two old line parties or become a have-not "G8"
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It's Me D
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posted 09 June 2008 02:57 PM      Profile for It's Me D     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Good management practices will give you an advantage in attracting people, no matter what the job.

Huh, out here simply providing someone a means to put food on the table and oil in the furnace seems a big attraction. But then again, we have a "labour shortage"


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Michael Hardner
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posted 09 June 2008 03:12 PM      Profile for Michael Hardner   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't get it. There's a job shortage and a labour shortage ?
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Stephen Gordon
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posted 09 June 2008 03:21 PM      Profile for Stephen Gordon        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The employment rate - employment as a percentage of the working-age population - is at an all-time high.
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It's Me D
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posted 09 June 2008 03:34 PM      Profile for It's Me D     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Michael: as Stephen explains, there is a great availability of shitty jobs (here).
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bruce_the_vii
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posted 09 June 2008 04:04 PM      Profile for bruce_the_vii     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The employment rate is what, 62% of adults nationally. However in Alberta it hit 72% this last month although Alberta has an age advantage by 3%.
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Skinny Dipper
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posted 09 June 2008 04:19 PM      Profile for Skinny Dipper   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Understand what is happening in Alberta where no business would think about paying the minimum wage because people are going to the higher paying jobs in the oil fields and related areas. The problem is that one can easily find a job that pays $10 per hour but the rent is high (if available).

I won't comment if someone else's job is shitty or not because one can work at McDonald's or Walmart and be very satisfied while another person on who works in the frozen Tar Sands can feel shitty but get paid a lot better.

I will comment that I have had shitty jobs myself. Any job where a company thinks of you as a worthy "associate" is shitty. My former job as an associate at the now defunct Kmart Canada was shitty. As a sales clerk, a customer asked me where the health and beauty lady was. I told her that I was the health and beauty "lady" today. I had to find her a breast pump. As a pimply Simpsonesque kid, I looked at the women and thought to myself that she didn't need bigger breasts. If she did, she could always go to the bicycle section to look for a breast pump. In another case, a customer asked for scented tampons. Again, as a pimply sales clerk, I thought, "Who would actually want to sniff a tampon?" Gross! I couldn't imagine myself asking Mrs. 'Smith', "Golly Gee! Isn't that a sweet April fresh tampon you're wearing? Just to help you further, you could always go to the bicycle department for a pump."

I had no clue what a breast pump was.

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posted 09 June 2008 04:23 PM      Profile for Skinny Dipper   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

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