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Hephaestion
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posted 29 November 2004 11:19 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Man faces death by stoning for gay sex

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(Lagos, Nigeria) An Islamic court has issued an arrest warrant for a middle-aged man accused of having gay sex. If caught and convicted the Sharia court in Keffi could sentence him to death by stoning

The warrant was issued for Michael Ifediora Nwokoma after neighbors alleged he was gay and was having sex with with another man. That person was identified in the Nigerian media as a local businessman named Mallam Abdullahi Ibrahim.

Ibrahim was charged but Nwokoma escaped before police could arrest him.

Press reports say that Ibrahim was nearly lynched by police in the process of getting him to confess. He was spared only when the district commander intervened.

He is charged with the “unholy” act of "homosexualism". If convicted Ibrahim also could face death by stoning.

Sharia courts have a wide latitude in Nigeria and usually exact the maximum penalties under strict Islamic law.

Ibrahim remains in jail until police find Nwokomah. The court ruled that until Nwokomah is arrested Ibrahim cannot be tried. The court decided that no mater how long it takes to find Nwokomah, Ibrahim will remain behind bars.


So can someone explain to me why, in light of what's going on in this story (which is not a first out of Nigeria), we are still doing THIS??

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skdadl
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posted 29 November 2004 11:32 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Heph, this sounds like another chapter in a continuing story about some parts of Nigeria, sadly. However, we have reason to believe that there may be hope in this case as in earlier ones.

We've discussed here several earlier cases of death sentences imposed by sharia courts (in the northern provinces?) on young women who were raped or maybe had extramarital sex voluntarily (it's often difficult to tell, and the two seem to be equated by some of the nasty bosses).

So far, activism has worked to save those women. The government in Lagos is opposed to these courts and appears sensitive to international pressure, which has certainly been available for the women. I hope that it will be for these guys.


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Mr. Magoo
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posted 29 November 2004 11:36 AM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm guessing Heph's real question is why the hell we don't shut off the flow of aid until they clean up their human rights abuses such as this.

Why don't we? Are we obligated to support a government that supports stoning citizens to death for "moral crimes"?


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skdadl
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posted 29 November 2004 11:43 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Mr Magoo, I don't believe that "the government" does support these sentences.

I think that we continue to intervene in Nigeria because we are hoping for liberalizing forces to prevail. I believe that the situation is complicated, but there is reason to hope.

I'm no expert on Nigerian internal affairs, but I know that much. If anyone wants to know more, rather than just to spout off about our wasted foreign aid, might I suggest Google?


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posted 29 November 2004 11:45 AM      Profile for NDP Newbie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I order death by stoning to every judge in that fucking court.

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Hephaestion
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posted 29 November 2004 11:54 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by skdadl:
I think that we continue to intervene in Nigeria because we are hoping for liberalizing forces to prevail. I believe that the situation is complicated, but there is reason to hope.

WADR, 'dadl, you're talking about "engagement" as a means of bringing about positive change. Heard it before.That's the same rationale for "business as usual" with China, and while China is definitely adopting some capitalistic tendencies, "egagement" hasn't appeared to accomplish very damn much when it comes to human rights abuses.

OTOH, Canada spearheaded an international boycott of S. Africa over Apartheid (one of the few decent things Mulroney everdid) and we can see a definite improvement in democracy there.

I think the "engagement" theory is a lot of gawwdamn hooey, if you'll pardon the language. It's time to go to the UN and start turning the thumbscrews on the Nigerian representatives. If their government really doesn't approve of this kind of thing, then let them outlaw it. This is bloody barbarism.


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skdadl
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posted 29 November 2004 11:58 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Heph, in all the earlier cases I've heard of, the government in Lagos has overturned the sharia sentences.

I know that it is frightening. But so is civil war.


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Mandos
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posted 29 November 2004 12:10 PM      Profile for Mandos   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It depends. If the central government is in support of them, then I guess the S. African solution is a good analogy. But if for the central government these sorts of things are a problem that it is trying to manage, then cutting off aid will quite possibly have a reverse effect.

It depends on whether you are attempting to change the people or change the government. If you are trying to change a despotic government, then depriving it of aid might work. But here I suggest what you are really trying to do is change the people. In that case is cutting off aid really a good idea?

Problem is, 80% of the world's population (I believe an underestimate) is not ready for the social liberalization that has occured in Canada and a few other places. People still need to know what their place is in the Order of Things. Like it or not.


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Mr. Magoo
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posted 29 November 2004 12:12 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Mr Magoo, I don't believe that "the government" does support these sentences.

They're either outlawing them or they support them. Or they've surrended the process of enforcing law to the mob.

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If anyone wants to know more, rather than just to spout off about our wasted foreign aid, might I suggest Google?

Who said anything about wasting? It's not about saving some bucks, it's about telling Nigeria, and any other country that wants to stone men and women to death for "offending" some deity, that we won't support them if they don't stop it, immediately.

If they want to let a bunch of theocrats rule the country, we don't have to contribute. Seems reasonable, no?


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posted 29 November 2004 12:15 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The responsible thing for activists to do in these cases is to find local activist groups (and they will be there) and ask for their guidance. Offer help, but FOLLOW them; don't try to lead or boss.

Many of us have learned that lesson from watching women's groups like RAWA in Afghanistan, which are sure as hell smarter about what is needed and what can be done and how than any of the outside intervenors has ever proved to be.


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swallow
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posted 29 November 2004 07:14 PM      Profile for swallow     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Canada's aid to Nigeria is focussed on democratization, health care, AIDS prevention and environmental projects. Aid isn't just a big blank cheque to foreign governments. And the Nigerian federal government is trying, despite the fact it does not really control its own army, to do what it can to stop the advance of these so-called sharia courts. I'm outraged at the way these "courts" convict the innocent and try to impose their version of morality on a population that i'm not at all sure supports "religious law." But like skdadl says, it's important to take the lead from human rights groups on the ground. Maybe aid suspensions can be targetted at the provinces imposing "religious law." Maybe their leaders can be barred from international travel and Swiss bank accounts. Let's at least look at targetted sorts of sanctions.
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lacabombi
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posted 29 November 2004 09:49 PM      Profile for lacabombi     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Whether this story is authentic is yet to be confirmed.

Googling the story, there seems to be no real credible source. (365gay must have uncritically reported it).

A few weeks ago, there was also this story about a 13 year old girl in Iran who was allegedly sentenced to be stoned. (Her name is Zhila Izadi, also reported as Jiila Izadi).

More or less the same source, "Dhimmiwhatch". A well known extreme right wing e-mag.

The story just fizzled, as people started inquiring with the very sources as to Why this story has not been picked up by any "mainstream" (in the sense of well known) media or any known human rights organization.

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