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Topic: Another family murder-suicide...
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Lima Bean
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posted 25 July 2003 12:26 PM
quote: Nah, baseball bats, knives. A lot of things kill.
But like someone else mentioned above, not as efficiently, not as instantly. At least, had he chosen a knife or a bat, there would have been more struggle, and a slightly greater chance that the victims could have escaped, fought back, or only been injured, rather than killed. Maybe. But I'd rather take that chance, I think. Guns are stupid.
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Rebecca West
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posted 25 July 2003 12:45 PM
quote: Originally posted by clersal: Yeah, another, 'if I can't have you no one else will either'.
It's horrific, no matter how you look at it. Men often identify their families so closely with themselves that when they become severely depressed and suicidal they cannot imagine leaving their families behind, to "cope" without them. So they kill them before killing themselves. Sometimes it's rage (how dare you leave me) and despair, sometimes it's retribution (I'll punish you for leaving me) and despair. A person very close to me once confided that he'd had thoughts about killing his children and then himself. He said that his thought at the time was that he could not bear to leave them alone in a world filled with such bleak horror and despair(that was how he saw the world when he was suicidally depressed). Luckily he wasn't so far gone at the time that couldn't see how warped his perceptions were. Gun control is an important issue, with some valid points on all sides. However, we have other threads devoted to gun control, and really, do you need to co-opt a thread in the feminist forum, one that should be focused on domestic violence and mental health, in order to score political points off each other?
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Mr. Magoo
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posted 25 July 2003 01:05 PM
quote: How do you identify the criminals before they become criminals?
We could certainly start with the people who already are criminals (at least those with any kind of assualt record), and if we really wanted to we could have a zero tolerance policy for use of a weapon in a crime, or carrying a weapon without a permit. If you pull someone over with a handgun in their glove compartment, there's your criminal. Note that we also have no way of knowing who might or might not drive drunk, but there's not a whole lot of talk of banning cars outright. We also have the technology to make cars that are interconnected to a breathalyzer, and yet these aren't standard issue on a vehicle. We could, but we won't. Which kills more people in Canada.. guns or cars?
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Foxer
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posted 25 July 2003 02:55 PM
Anyone can become a criminal - and I'd remind you that the majority of spouses killed by their partners are NOT killed with guns.The point is that we just spent 2 billion dollars tracking legal gun owners who are not any MORE likely to become a killer than YOU are and we harrass the ones who HAVEN'T done anything wrong - instead of worrying about actual criminals and dealing with people BEFORE they become murderers. Did the registry help this woman?!? - Do you feel better now that she's dead at the hands of a man with a LICENSED gun? People drink and drive and kill people that way, but yet you don't think that every car owner is a killer. Instead of blaming the ones who HAVEN'T been drinking and driving (althouth they COULD - get fired from work and go drown your sorrows.. etc) we launch programs to catch and punish the drunk drivers! And lo and behold, it goes down. It's pretty low brow thinking and socially irresponsible to think of the gun as the 'culprit' in this case. "ugh! Gunz iz bad! umm me ban gunz solve social problems dat way". I assure you that a knife can be every bit as fatal and every bit as fast. And if the daughter didn't hear the gunshot, she sure wouldnt' hear the screams.
From: Vancouver BC | Registered: Jul 2003
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