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skdadl
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posted 21 September 2005 04:50 PM
A really immediate reaction, purely descriptive of a thought I have every day:I live three blocks away from a potential emergency that I could have to deal with any day -- or any night. I have left instructions: you can always reach me. Call me any time. Call me in the middle of the night; I will come. And I will. But it is three blocks. At night, three very dark blocks, one of them, I think, potentially dangerous. To me. At 3 a.m. I'll go, though. But I think about it.
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posted 21 September 2005 06:11 PM
I know what you mean. In my early 20s, I had a really scary experience when walking home alone late at night, where car after car with a single guy in it would pull over and try to get me in. The first time, the guy indicated he needed directions. When I walked toward him, he opened the door. I told him there was a misunderstanding and went briskly on my way. A couple of years later, I spoke with a sex-trade activist at Maggie's about what happened. She said because, at the time, the location was a main stroll, and yet there were no prostitutes around, the men calling me over and freaking me out were most likely cops, making sure that a recent "clean-up" was sticking, out to catch any stragglers. Real johns would know the stroll had moved elsewhere, and would be there, instead. Before moving to that neighbourhood, I had lived at Gerrard and Church, surrounded by prostitutes. Not once did I feel threatened or scared. There was always somebody around. On that empty "cleaned up" street, I could have disappeared and nobody would have known the difference. [ 21 September 2005: Message edited by: writer ]
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skdadl
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posted 21 September 2005 06:39 PM
Definitely. The cleaned-up street. The one I'm thinking of is a thoroughfare, but not such a main one. It is cold and anonymous, a fast pass-through for anyone at any time. And it has occurred to me, when I'm scaring myself, that the men most likely to stop me because they can't figure out why I'm walking along it at 3 a.m. would be the cops. The places I've been accosted have always been very quiet places -- suburbs, countryside, or cold thoroughfares. I remember first grasping that as I was picking my way along a street in Soho in London years ago at about 1 a.m., looking for a cab. I was young and drunk and alone in a famously louche area, and yet I wasn't scared. Why? Because the streets were alive, with all kinds of people. Some of them were sleeping on grates at that hour, which was why I had to be walking carefully. But for the first time in my young life, I was not scared of the dark in the city. The closest I ever came to fighting: the summer we finished high school, my friend Gwen and I went walking out along the road that then led to Bragg Creek from southwest Calgary (all those roads have changed now -- where we were then is now probably very close to the main highway to Banff). We were several hills away from town, all alone in the countryside about dusk -- a very beautiful, peaceful time on the prairies, especially for two seventeen-year-olds, talking obsessively about our dreams and hopes and plans ... And then suddenly, a jalopy came roaring up next to us, and stopped. Three guys piled out (and there was a driver), sloppy and slurring already from the beer. They weren't much older than we were, I'm guessing. And they had these stupid grins on their faces. I can still sort of see one of them. Me: paralysed. Gwen: picked up large rock. Me: sheesh, do I have to do this? But of course I did, so I also picked up large rock. Gwen starts to walk towards staggery grinning idiots, raising her rock. So, ok, I did too. And I would have, y'know. God, everything in me doesn't want to, but I would have. But they cut out. They backed off, stumbling and snorting and dribbling and chortling, and peeled away. That's not the closest I ever came to being assaulted, but it is the most garden-variety I know, and it is the physically bravest I've ever been. I think I might find it easier to fight now, but I don't know. I know that thoughts of fighting back are hardest of all for women who have really faced an all-out assault, as I didn't, really. But I may have become more reckless, just by virtue of being old.
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posted 21 October 2005 01:05 PM
quote: Elizabeth Sheehy, lawyer and University of Ottawa professor specializing in criminal law and women's issues, doesn't want to minimize the significance of Myers' arrest.But she points to how few women come forward to report sex assaults; to police departments, which deem their accusations unfounded at a much higher rate than almost any other offence reported to them; to the "very" low conviction rates in cases that do get to court. In general, she says, shockingly, our society still offers "pretty good conditions" for men to sexually assault women. "I find it very hard when an individual is apprehended for one femicide," said Sheehy. "The patterns are so deep and broad, it doesn't relieve me very much."
No relief despite arrest We can think our streets are safer, but for women, sexism and violence run rampant, Ann Marie McQueen writes
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posted 21 October 2005 04:26 PM
quote: I was working at a Women's Centre, do you suppose that and the fact that I wasn't scared brought out the worst in these Police Officers?
Know what you mean. When I spoke to police in the Sexual Assault Squad, I noticed they were getting increasingly agitated / aggressive during the interview. I suspected part of the reason for this was because I wasn't crying and all emotional - I wasn't behaving the way they thought a "real" survivor would - but instead talked about what happened in a plain, factual manner, with notes, even. Later I cried, because of them. But I held it together so they didn't see me. I got as far as the lobby of Toronto's police headquarters before I broke. I didn't cry after being assaulted. To serve and protect. Yes indeed. ... The status quo.
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posted 25 October 2005 12:44 PM
'No means no' sex offender back in court A convicted sex offender who was at the centre of the "no means no" case is in court charged in the alleged sexual assault of an eight year old girl. Edmonton Journal Background: R. v. Ewanchuk - Definition of "Consent" in Sexual Assault | Women's Legal Education and Action Fund (LEAF) BRING NO MEANS NO TO YOUR SCHOOL/ORGANIZATION | LEAF Teen Pages
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swirrlygrrl
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posted 25 October 2005 04:26 PM
The arrest of Myers, suspect in the murder of Ardeth Woods and 4 sexual assaults in Ottawa, has started to bring up that, yet again, police services aren't to be trusted when it comes to releasing information to protect women from sexual assault. This isn't a "balcony rapist" case, but the fact that the Ottawa Police even tried to justify not releasing info on the fourth assault, and either never linked the assaults at all or didn't release the info if they did, is frightening. I don't want to belittle others experiences by comparing mine to sexual assault, but I had a peeping tom at an old apartment, which led to both a call to the police and the changing of habits related to my blinds. A few weeks after this, I came home one night after a party, where I had been drinking, and realized as I walked up that someone had been in my place while I was gone. I stood outside for maybe 15 minutes, trying to think if I could be mistaken, if I could have left that blind up. I decided I couldn't, but went inside, carefully propping open all the doors so I had a clear exit route, listened at my door for a while to hear any sounds, then opened it, grabbed the cordless phone and called a friend to be on the line while I searched my place. A second after walking in, I realized I hadn't been wrong - the toilet seat was up (single girl, living alone, with a fetish for putting both the seat and lid down). Two officers came, and while the male officer wasn't rude, I felt very clearly that he thought I was overreacting, maybe imagining things. It was the female officer who reassured me, telling me that even though there were no signs of forced entry, and nothing taken, that I was right to call, and she too would know if the toilet seat was up and she hadn't done it. She gave me her direct line, and told me to call her if I thought of anything, letting me know she'd do some follow up. And she did (eventually found cause of problem - landlord who came in illegally, but she called him too). Also, I want to say that I love threads like this. I am always awed and inspired by the strong women on this board.
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posted 11 November 2005 01:39 PM
quote: Courtroom apology from Calgary rapist scorned by victim Defence lawyer Larry Ross proposed a sentence of 10 to 12 years, arguing that the rapes were on the lower end of severity compared with the broad spectrum of crime. Ms. Deneve was raped in the early morning of May 6, 1989. Mr. Cromwell also struck her with a pipe, gouging the side of her forehead, which required 12 stitches. She is now 46 and a mother of four. Her anger was palpable outside court when asked about Mr. Ross's argument. "I could say some really vicious things right now but I'm not that type of person," Ms. Deneve said. "But any man that stands up and says that a rape is a lower-end crime needs to be slapped. He has no idea what a rape is." Mr. Ross cited mitigating factors that could merit a shorter sentence, including Mr. Cromwell's co-operation with police and his decision to plead guilty, in theory sparing the women from the pain of a trial. Ms. Deneve was also insulted by that suggestion. "After hearing what went on today, I would rather have gone to trial," she said. "If we had been sitting on a witness stand, then at least we would have been able to voice what it really meant to us."
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nuclearfreezone
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posted 11 November 2005 02:40 PM
Posted by Writer: "Know what you mean. When I spoke to police in the Sexual Assault Squad, I noticed they were getting increasingly agitated / aggressive during the interview. I suspected part of the reason for this was because I wasn't crying and all emotional - I wasn't behaving the way they thought a "real" survivor would - but instead talked about what happened in a plain, factual manner, with notes, even."Something very similar happened to me. My ex did this 'assault-threaten with a large knife thing' about 9 years ago. After my 3rd attempt at calling police I finally succeeded (the first 2 times my ex grabbed the phone out of my hands, while foaming at the mouth, and shouted at me to sit down and shut up). When they showed up to take the report and cart him off to jail, the "show" began. "You have no marks or bruises on you." "When he pulled the knife why didn't you run out the door. I know if it was me I'd be gone so fast!" (The cop said with almost a smile on his lips.) Well, I didn't have any marks but I did sustain a bump on the back of my head when I was thrown to the floor. The bump wasn't discovered until the next day. When he pulled the knife I was standing with my back against the kitchen counter. When the large kitchen knife came around and while he did figure 8's 1/4-inch from my belly ... well I was frozen with fear, I was convinced beyond a doubt that my 3 kids would find their mother's bloodied body in the morning, and I certainly wasn't going to leave my 3 sleeping kids with a madman with a knife inside that house! But how do you explain that to a male cop? (I think they should use female cops for sexual assault and domestic violence cases.) I, too, wasn't reacting according to what this cop thought I should. I was agitated and upset but not crying; trying to muster strength because I knew my life had just changed forever. I still get upset when I think about it!
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nuclearfreezone
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posted 11 November 2005 02:56 PM
Coming home late one night after my midnight shift at CJAD radio in Montreal in 1974, I entered the long isolated tunnel leading to the Metro. I heard, then saw, about 5 or 6 rowdy young men about my age (19 or 20). My brain instinctively said "oh, oh". Sure enough, as we approached to pass each other in the tunnel, they surrounded me. I stood still. I felt like a trapped cat, all senses alert, the 'fight or flight' instinct was in full gear. It was summer-time, I was wearing a dress (it was the mini-skirt era). I felt a hand reach under my skirt from behind. Instinctively, my left hand formed a fist and I hit the guy in front of me, on the neck. I must have hit him pretty hard because I'll never forget the stunned look on his face. He looked at his pals and they melted away. I remember feeling really angry, indignant. When I got to the ticket taker, a male, I asked if there was a cop around. He just laughed and said, "Were those guys giving you a problem?" Yeah, very funny.
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posted 22 November 2005 12:21 PM
nuclearfreezone, I meant to thank you for your contributions here. A disturbing study out from the UK (though sadly not too surprising for many who have been through it): A third of Britons blame flirty women for rape Reuters UK "These findings should act as a wake-up call to the government to urgently tackle the triple problem of the high incidence of rape, low conviction rates and a sexist blame culture," said Kate Allen, a spokeswoman for Amnesty International UK which commissioned the research. Women 'get blame for being raped' BBC News Stop Violence Against Women | Amnesty International
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kuri
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posted 09 December 2005 11:05 AM
quote: Originally posted by smcniven: It seems like the UK is truly regressingwhen it comes to this subject.
Further onto that subject: Scotsman Why Rapists love our courts quote: EVERY day in Scotland an average of two women report being raped, yet there is less chance of their attackers being convicted than in almost any other country in western Europe.At every point in the system - police, prosecutor, judge and jury - rape cases collapse more frequently than any other crime involving adult victims. The situation is getting worse. Reported rapes have soared 300 per cent between 1977 and 2001. But the number of guilty verdicts has only gone up by one.
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