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Stockholm
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posted 12 September 2005 08:33 PM      Profile for Stockholm     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't have a link, but i saw on the BBC website that today was election day in Norway and the centre-right government of Christian Democrats and Conservatives was ousted and replaced by Labour/Socialist Left/Centre coalition.

What is disturbing is that the racist rightwing populist Progress party surged to 20% of the vote and is now the second biggest party.

I gvuess even in a seemingly progressive wealthy country like Norway - you still get 1 in 5 who are fascists.


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Doug
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posted 12 September 2005 08:54 PM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here's something - it's a story based on exit polls, though.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/09/12/norway.election.reut/index.html

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A television survey for NRK broadcasting indicated that the so-called "Red-Green" alliance, led by the Labor Party, would win a tiny majority of 85 seats in the 169-member parliament to 84 for Bondevik's tax-cutting coalition.

An earlier poll for independent TV2 indicated that the opposition would win by 86-83 seats.

In the NRK poll, the opposition's 85 seats included two seats from the communist Red Electoral Alliance, which are not formally part of the bloc but would support a leftist government, likely to be led by Labor's former Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg.



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posted 12 September 2005 09:03 PM      Profile for Hugo the Liberator        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Fuck. I wanted the weak left to have to depend on the hard left.

But this is good enough I guess...Socialist Left comes across as being the NDP trimmed of some of the prohibitionist and Blairite fat.

I was satisfied with Portugal's results, and I am satisfied with Norway's.

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posted 12 September 2005 09:20 PM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, what do you know, it's better than that. An 88 seat majority.

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1113805.ece


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posted 12 September 2005 09:27 PM      Profile for Hugo the Liberator        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah, but I would have preferred a situation in which the Red Electoral Coalition held the balance of power: But if Socialist Left is in the coalition in spite of its underperforming (based on polls), than I suppose this government will be decent.
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posted 12 September 2005 09:50 PM      Profile for Stockholm     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Of course the Centre Party is part of the alliance with Labour and they are a non-socialist party for farmers that just stands for more farm subsidies.
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posted 12 September 2005 10:20 PM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I like Norway. It's the Bizarro-world Alberta.
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posted 12 September 2005 10:28 PM      Profile for Hugo the Liberator        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Stockholm:
Of course the Centre Party is part of the alliance with Labour and they are a non-socialist party for farmers that just stands for more farm subsidies.

And decentralised economics...

And you all know how much I love Dubcek.


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posted 12 September 2005 10:29 PM      Profile for Hugo the Liberator        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Doug:
I like Norway. It's the Bizarro-world Alberta.

Not really...

The previous coalition was probably more right-wing than Ralph Klein's government.

But then again, Klein is Albertans at their "best"...

Remember the Socreds?

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posted 12 September 2005 10:40 PM      Profile for Stockholm     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I doubt that very much. Ralph Klein would be off the scale to the right in Norway...he MIGHT be comparable to the rightwing populaist Progress party that is treated like a lepe by the other rightwing parties.
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quote:
Originally posted by Stockholm:
I doubt that very much. Ralph Klein would be off the scale to the right in Norway...he MIGHT be comparable to the rightwing populaist Progress party that is treated like a lepe by the other rightwing parties.

Klein is left of the Christian Democrats, but right of the Conservatives and the party that calls itself Left for no reason.


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posted 13 September 2005 12:24 AM      Profile for Stockholm     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Actually the Christian Democrats in Norway tend to be the least conservative of all the "non-socialist" parties. They tend to be quite progressive Red Tory types - the Conservatives are the big business party and the "Progress Party" are the populaist anti-immigrant types.
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posted 13 September 2005 12:31 AM      Profile for Wilf Day     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Youngest MP (so far) is Anna-Kristin Ljunggren, 21, one of 4 Labour MPs from Nordland. I'm not up on my Norwegian, but it looks like she got elected as one of Narvik's members on the "Hålogaland Ressursselskap" two years ago at age 19.

Official Results:

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Labour (A) 61 seats, up 18
Socialist Left (SV) 15 seats, down 8
Centre Party (SP) 11 seats, up 1

Coast Party (KYST) 0, down 1
Liberals (V) 10 seats, up 8
Christian Peoples' Party (KRF) 11 seats, down 11
Conservatives (H) 23 seats, down 15
Progress Party (FRP) 38 seats, up 12


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quote:
Originally posted by Stockholm:
Actually the Christian Democrats in Norway tend to be the least conservative of all the "non-socialist" parties. They tend to be quite progressive Red Tory types - the Conservatives are the big business party and the "Progress Party" are the populaist anti-immigrant types.


You sure about that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Democratic_Party_of_Norway

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The Christian Democrats follow their European counterparts in many ways, arguing that the state should care for its citizens but not get otherwise economically involved. In the late 1990s they tried to market themselves as a family-friendly party, and their upcoming election campaign is rumoured to be based on traditional moral values, including gay adoption and abortion. KrF have conservative opinions in both issues, arguing against both gay adoption and the prevalent abortion rate in Norway. They also want to ban biotechnology, and have made the biotechnology laws in Norway into some of the strictest in the world.

Sound like religious fanatics to me...

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posted 13 September 2005 10:16 AM      Profile for Stockholm     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
They are socially conservative, but more economically progressive since their voters tend to be pensionaers and farmers etc...(ie: people who expect a lot of government money to be spent on them)
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quote:
Originally posted by Stockholm:
They are socially conservative, but more economically progressive since their voters tend to be pensionaers and farmers etc...(ie: people who expect a lot of government money to be spent on them)

So in Canadian terms, depression-era evangelical Christians who voted Socred rather than CCF under the assumption that the former was economically progressive yet not "tainted" by socialism?


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posted 13 September 2005 12:15 PM      Profile for Wilf Day     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Partners: Jens Stoltenberg, Kristin Halvorsen and Åslaug Haga.

The Socialist Left favour a six-hour working day, want to build hundreds of kindergartens and favour buying back shares in part-privatised former state monopolies like Statoil. And their programme denounces the United States as "the biggest threat to world peace."


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posted 13 September 2005 02:01 PM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Wilf Day:
Partners: Jens Stoltenberg, Kristin Halvorsen and Åslaug Haga.
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Yum, Red-Green threesome.


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posted 13 September 2005 02:07 PM      Profile for Stockholm     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I see Jens is the rose between two thorns!
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posted 14 September 2005 04:25 AM      Profile for Vansterdam Kid   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There's nothing wrong with the ladies.
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posted 14 September 2005 07:31 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A very snappy-looking group indeed.

Funny that babble's resident token Norwegian hasn't found this thread yet.


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posted 14 September 2005 12:27 PM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The new Norwegian Prime Minister, Jens Stoltenberg, comes from the highest political class in Norway.

His father was Foreign Minister in a Social Democratic government, and was later UN High Commissioner for Refugees.

People who know them tell me they are brilliant, well-read, speak 5-6 foreign languages well, etc.


The new prime minister, Jens Stoltenberg, was Minister of Energy in the government of Gro Harlem Bruntland. He was apparently a driving force for the idea that the new oil riches should, first and foremost, "not undermine Norwegian democracy" by creating excessively wealthy individuals or groups.

The government-owned fund which came from oil revenues is now worth $50,000.00 for every Norwegian, or 133,000.00 per family.

He was Prime Minister once before, for about nine months, but his coalition fell apart. He was once compared to Tony Blair, but that was before we found out about Tony Blair.


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