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Cueball
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posted 10 October 2004 07:23 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Abuse by Iraqis 'astonished' guardsman
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Maries said he saw a prisoner beaten repeatedly with an aluminum bar, then kicked in the head. Eventually unnerved by the severity of the beatings, Maries radioed commanders of the Oregon Guard's 2nd Battalion, 162nd Infantry that he was prepared to shoot at least one of the Iraqi guards.

According to his statement, Maries explained that, "If they escalate this to deadly physical force, I will engage within the ROE (rules of engagement). By 'engage,' " his statement says, "I meant that I would kill any individual demonstrating deadly force."

"I would have," Maries replied when asked if he would have actually killed an Interior Ministry employee. But, he added, when he called the base and said he was prepared to shoot, "I did it to get a response."


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Maries said he was "disgusted" by the order to withdraw, and he said other Oregon soldiers felt the same way. "The platoon lost motivation" when it was required to return the prisoners to the guards they had disarmed, he said.

Capt. Jarrell Southall, who was part of the group that entered the compound to stop the beatings, said it was painful to see the prisoners returned to their captors. Southall, a Muslim from Newark, Calif., said he is "haunted by memories of these people."


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Michelle
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posted 10 October 2004 09:15 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Seems to me that's an order that they didn't have to obey, considering that they'd be aiding and abetting torture.
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Cueball
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posted 11 October 2004 06:37 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Decent people, in a bad place, trying to reconcile everday realities with their moral principles. Ultimately demoralizing.

The kind of thing that undermines discipline. Will Maries or his comrades act to stop abuse in the future or simply look away?

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