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Topic: CRTC's new No-call list
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triciamarie
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posted 30 September 2008 05:14 PM
I was on the site a couple days ago. There are lots of exceptions to the new rules -- registered charities for one are still allowed to harass you, so that already covers a large proportion of the calls I get, that I will still be getting. You're supposed to be able to explicitly opt out those kind of calls, but how that will work now when it never did before, I'm not clear.Companies with whom you have done business in the past 18 months are also exempt; banks, for example, who harass me mercilessly. Incidentally I have heard that this goes to one of the major reasons why the registered banks want the ability to sell insurance, so that they can develop these huge customer databases sharing information across divisions -- which is also apparently within the bounds of privacy law. Also exempt are police and polling agencies (no kidding), although as I mentioned in the polling thread last week, I am optimistic that there could be grounds for complaint against KlrVu, the telemarketing / research company out of Winnipeg, due to their use of automatic dialing technology to promulgate their ridiculous surveys. As for the big serious telemarketing scams, Centrex phone service resellers are supposed to ensure that the call forwarding function is not being used in telemarketing. I guess that could work... There are major fines for individuals and companies who don't comply with these rules but as always, a lot will probably depend on how much money the regulator is given for enforcement.
From: gwelf | Registered: Jul 2006
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M. Spector
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posted 01 October 2008 07:22 AM
quote: Canada's widely anticipated do-not-call list was a victim of its own popularity when thousands rushed to sign up soon after it launched yesterday, crashing the registry website and clogging toll-free phone lines.The system was so overwhelmed it crashed shortly after 9 a.m. and was available only sporadically for the rest of the day. The Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission, the federal agency in charge of the list, said it would be working overnight to increase the system's capacity. There is no deadline to sign up for the service. "We're victims of our own success," said Denis Carmel, a spokesperson for the CRTC. More than a million consumers had called one of two phone lines to register by early afternoon. At one point more than 40,000 callers were trying to get through "at the same instant," Carmel said. An unknown number also tried to sign up online at the registry's website. Just over 334,000 consumers had succeeded in getting on the list by 4 p.m., Carmel said. Most of them had signed up by 9 a.m., when the system became overwhelmed. Only a few thousand were able to get through after that, he said. The system is operated for the federal agency by Bell Canada.
Enough said
From: One millihelen: The amount of beauty required to launch one ship. | Registered: Feb 2005
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Tommy_Paine
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posted 02 October 2008 03:13 PM
Advertizing of all kinds should be examined more closely-- in a perfect world. No doubt things will proceed as they have been. But for the sake of conversation...The do not call list, while welcomed by me, is a day late and a dollar short. In some ways, I think the market has spoken. People have become hardened to pitches, and most just don't answer or, upon detecting the sales pitch, hang up. So I see the do not call list as something that just hastens the demise of this marketing tool. Glad to see you go, go, go, go, GOODBYE. As Joey Ramone used to say. Advertising is like that. A new technology or new technique comes along, and it gets public attention-- until every advertising agency copies it, and the public tunes it out. Look down any town's "Golden Mile"-- particularly if it's a route you are familiar with-- and actually look at the signs. You'll see stuff you never noticed before. Because you tuned it out. You also tuned out the brutal uglyness of it all. You might also have tuned out the other signs. The speed limit sign, the school zone sign.... At a certain point, advertising encroches on your right as a person not to live in a butt ugly town. And it challenges public safety. To what end? What value does this add to our lives? To our economy? I don't ask that on the internet without thinking it provides some. But enough to give the industry free riegn over our rights? I think not.
From: The Alley, Behind Montgomery's Tavern | Registered: Apr 2001
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Tommy_Paine
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posted 02 October 2008 03:39 PM
How broad a phenomena is this though? Is it just advertising? Or is it part of people being fed up with business, or at least increasingly common sharp business practice, in general? Gas price fixing, text message price fixing, cell phone gougery, throtteling, blowing up neighborhoods, etc, etc, etc. Business seems to be above the law these days. I think the number of people who have so far flocked to the "do not call list" may not just be an anti- telemarketing statement, but an anti- business statement?
From: The Alley, Behind Montgomery's Tavern | Registered: Apr 2001
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Tommy_Paine
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posted 03 October 2008 10:59 AM
I did some specific grocery shopping yesterday, to make a large batch of speghetti sauce. I prefer canned mushrooms as they hold together better over a long day of simmering.Couldn't find any canned mushrooms that weren't a product of China. Now, I'm not making a point of not buying Chinese products because I'm against Globalization. I'm not buying Chinese products because I like to avoid the whole sickness and death thing. Easy enough with mushrooms. I just went over and bought some grown a county over. But, have you ever seen orange juice sold as "Product of Canada"? Odd, you say, when there's no orange groves here. It's reconstituted orange consentrate from China-- if you dig deep enough to get the info. Chinese orange juice labeled as "Product of Canada" because they added water to it on this side of the border. And that's "legal". I think there's more than just speghetti sauce simmering in the kitchens of the country. I tend to think the "do not call" list is the only outlet for steam at the moment. A tiny and insufficient one at that.
From: The Alley, Behind Montgomery's Tavern | Registered: Apr 2001
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Tommy_Paine
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posted 03 October 2008 12:54 PM
I might try that with the junk mail, if it gets out of hand.Years ago when I still paid bills by mail I used to return all the advertising sent to me with the bill with the enclosed payment. Didn't stop them from sending more, but that was everyone else's fault that didn't do the same. I've stopped most "junk mail" from being plopped on my porch. Of course, the environmental aspect was one reason. But the other was the fact that no one read the several pounds of advertising. So it went from my porch, to my internal blue box inside, then to the external blue box, then to the curb on garbage/recycling day. I thought the whole expenditure of effort, while not onerous in the physical sense, just plain insane. It took several phone calls, and a sign on my porch to get it stopped. Then a telemarketer called, and asked if I was getting the advertising. I said "no", and added that I didn't want it. I repeated that I didn't want it. And after that, I added, again, that I didn't want it. Next week, it was on my porch again. But I got it re-stopped after only a couple weeks and several phone calls durring which, you might be surprised to know, I never lost my temper.
From: The Alley, Behind Montgomery's Tavern | Registered: Apr 2001
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unionist
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posted 03 October 2008 01:06 PM
Make sure to also register at Michael Geist's http://IOptOut.ca: quote: The Canadian government passed legislation in 2005 mandating the creation of a do-not-call registry. The registry takes effect on September 30, 2008, yet many Canadians may be disappointed to learn about the exemption of a wide range of organizations (registered charities, business with prior relationships, political parties, survey companies, and newspapers). Under the law, exempted organizations are permitted to make unsolicited telephone calls despite the inclusion of the number in the do-not-call registry. However, organizations must remove numbers from their lists if specifically requested to do so.IOptOut takes advantage of this approach by allowing Canadians to create and manage a personal do-not-call list that begins where do-not-call list ends. Once you register, you'll be able to view a categorized list where you can opt-out of further contact from exempt organizations. To do this we send an email notification to each organization on your behalf requesting that your name, email address and phone number(s) be removed from their active marketing lists.
From: Vote QS! | Registered: Dec 2005
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1weasel
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posted 04 October 2008 08:59 AM
quote: Chinese orange juice labeled as "Product of Canada" because they added water to it on this side of the border.[/QB]
Wine is similar in that way. Unless the label has VQA you really can't be certain where the juice was tankered in from. All you know is the finished wine was fermented in Canada. Of course, this has little to do with the no-call list. For what it's worth, there is the red dot campaign. Unfortunately, my community newpaper stopped its delivery to me when the red dot went on my mailbox. Guess they missed the memo.
From: Trinity-Spadina | Registered: Jan 2006
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Tommy_Paine
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posted 04 October 2008 03:13 PM
quote: Originally posted by M. Spector: Well, that's the crucial difference, isn't it? If it was fermented in Canada, it's not unreasonable to call it "Product of Canada", is it?If all you're doing is importing fruit juice concentrate, adding Canadian water, and selling it as reconstituted juice, it's harder to justify calling it a Product of Canada.
I think I've noticed some words to the effect "made from a blend of Ontario and French grapes" on labels-- which I don't have a problem with. What's wrong with telling the truth? The fact these companies lie by omission tells me they have no confidence in their suppliers.
From: The Alley, Behind Montgomery's Tavern | Registered: Apr 2001
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