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Topic: Israelis seek asylum in Canada
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Tom Vouloumanos
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posted 29 January 2007 11:30 AM
See Globe and Mail article here quote:
Canada is granting residency to growing numbers of Israeli asylum seekers, including ethnic Russians, ultra-orthodox Jews and political dissidents who say they are victims of political or religious persecution in Israel.... More than 500 Israelis applied for refugee status in Canada last year, up from 253 in 2000. ... The recent spike in numbers has put Israel in the top 10 countries ranked by the number refugee applications in Canada, along with Zimbabwe, Pakistan, Nigeria and Sri Lanka. ... Some observers have suggested that the surge in hostilities between Israel and the Palestinians is creating a climate where political dissidence and religious difference is less welcomed.
From: Montréal QC | Registered: Oct 2002
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Le Téléspectateur
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posted 29 January 2007 11:39 AM
I thought that the reason Canada refuses to grant refugee status to US War Resisters is because Canada can not say that citizens of a friendly government are refugees?Am I wrong here? Does Canada view Israel as a non-friendly government? What precedent does this set for US War Resisters in Canada?
From: More here than there | Registered: Oct 2004
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jeff house
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posted 30 January 2007 08:18 AM
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I thought that the reason Canada refuses to grant refugee status to US War Resisters is because Canada can not say that citizens of a friendly government are refugees?
Am I wrong here?
Since the refugee law does not distinguish between friendly and unfriendly governments, that cannot be the LEGAL reason. Here is a legal article which basically says that the reason is that US power warps our law into incoherence. However, it is important to point out that higher courts in Canada have tended to be more independent of that power, as several decisions have shown. quote:
the Federal Court upheld the Immigration and Refugee Board (IRB) findings that the two did not qualify as Convention refugees. Both the IRB and the court appear to have danced around the politically sensitive issues and existing case law.
"Dancing around the law" means failing to apply the law. legal article on war resisters
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Legless-Marine
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posted 30 January 2007 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by Tom Vouloumanos:
A mix of both, in the early nineties, many Russians surprisingly found a Jewish great-great-grandmother on their matrilinear side, which qualified them for the "right of return" to Israel, a home and a job.
...And most importantly, to help fill up the colonial outposts known as settlements. This is going to sound a bit cliche, but these Israelis should "Go back where they came from" (Russia), and not try to leapfrog their way to Canada. Refugees my a$$.
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Legless-Marine
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posted 30 January 2007 01:25 PM
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Originally posted by CMOT Dibbler:
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Other refugees are believed to be Russian-speaking citizens of the former Soviet Union, a group that forms something of an economic underclass, often working in jobs that fall far below their skill levels.
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True, if not understated. Although the Russian immigrants are necessary to the state's colonization efforts, they are considered trash by many Israelis.
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CMOT Dibbler
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posted 30 January 2007 01:31 PM
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...And most importantly, to help fill up the colonial outposts known as settlements. This is going to sound a bit cliche, but these Israelis should "Go back where they came from" (Russia), and not try to leapfrog their way to Canada. Refugees my a$$.
You are one cold hearted SOB. Not every Israeli of Russian descent is a ultra-Orthodox lunatic. Not every settler is an ultra-Orthodox lunatic either. Some are just poor shlubs who can't get decent housing in Israel, so they jump at the chance of getting a state-funded Villa in the West Bank with all the amenities (including a swimming pool). I think that all the settlements should be dismantled, but I can also sympathize a little bit with the people who live in them.
I can see why Russian Israelis would want to move here. They can't really live well in their own country(Russia is an economic disaster area) and they are apparently treated like dirt in Israel. I don't mind accepting them.[ 30 January 2007: Message edited by: CMOT Dibbler ]
From: Just outside Fernie, British Columbia | Registered: May 2003
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B.L. Zeebub LLD
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posted 31 January 2007 08:34 AM
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Originally posted by Le Téléspectateur:
Morality means even less when it is condescendingly guarded from a place of privilege.
Agreed. But, what is a "desperate" circumstance justifying an unethical act? There is a far cry between material "discomfort" and malnutrition, hunger or even starvation. Like the difference between how many settlers live (let's forget the swimming pools filled from aquifers on confiscated Palestinian land), and how many Palestinians live. There, that should get our priorities straight, shouldn't it? [ 31 January 2007: Message edited by: B.L. Zeebub LLD ]
From: A Devil of an Advocate | Registered: Sep 2004
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