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Sven
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posted 10 July 2006 07:09 AM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Japan is considering the option of a pre-emptive strike against North Korea.

That would certainly be the start of a major conflict on the Korean peninsula.


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M. Spector
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posted 10 July 2006 04:29 PM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So's the USA.
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Sven
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posted 10 July 2006 04:35 PM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by M. Spector:
So's the USA.

One of the interesting things about that op/ed piece is that it was written by two former Clinton administration officials (one being Cliniton's Secretary of Defense). Locally (here in Minnesota), former VP Walter Mondale voiced the same recommendation (i.e., attack North Korea before it test fires missiles).

Ironically, the Bush administration did not follow that advice.


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Jaydub
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posted 10 July 2006 04:45 PM      Profile for Jaydub     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think Japan has legitimate cause to feel threatened. Seven of these Missiles fired have landed in the Sea of Japan. How would we feel if these Missiles were being launched right off our shores? Whether a pre-emptive Military strike is appropriate in this case, I'm not sure.
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M. Spector
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posted 10 July 2006 10:16 PM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I know how I felt when the US was using Canada (with the collaboration of our own imperialist government) as a testing range for cruise missiles. I was pissed off.

But I didn't advocate pre-emptive strikes against the US.


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Sven
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posted 10 July 2006 10:23 PM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by M. Spector:
I know how I felt when the US was using Canada (with the collaboration of our own imperialist government) as a testing range for cruise missiles. I was pissed off.

But I didn't advocate pre-emptive strikes against the US.


Of course not. Your country authorized it. As importantly, the USA poses no military threat to Canada.


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Bobolink
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posted 11 July 2006 08:12 AM      Profile for Bobolink   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It should be noted the the Japan Defense Agency does not have the weaponry to launch a pre-emptive strike on North Korea. This is about as credible as San Marino launching a pre-emptive strike on Paraguay.

[ 11 July 2006: Message edited by: Bobolink ]


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N.Beltov
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posted 11 July 2006 08:45 AM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Bobolink: It should be noted the the Japan Defense Agency does not have the weaponry to launch a pre-emptive strike on North Korea. This is about as credible as San Marino launching a pre-emptive strike on Paraguay.

It should be noted that Japan is second in the world in military spending after the U.S., using 2003/04 figures. It wouldn't take much to direct those billions towards the appropriate "defence" areas, just as "assistance" from the U.S., Israel style, could change things pretty quickly.

Top 10 military spending countries.

Military spending

Country and billions spent (03/04)

United States 335.7 Billion
Japan 46.7
United Kingdom 36
France 33.6
China 31.1
Germany 27.7
Saudi Arabia 21.6
Italy 21.1
Iran 17.5
South Korea 13.5

and so on...

P.S. San Marino and Paraguay don't make the top 10, although BOTH Japan and South Korea do.

[ 11 July 2006: Message edited by: N.Beltov ]


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Jaydub
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posted 11 July 2006 01:25 PM      Profile for Jaydub     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Bobolink:
It should be noted the the Japan Defense Agency does not have the weaponry to launch a pre-emptive strike on North Korea. This is about as credible as San Marino launching a pre-emptive strike on Paraguay.

[ 11 July 2006: Message edited by: Bobolink ]


All Japan needs to do is strike North Korean Missile bases which can be done with Bombs and Air-to-Surface Missiles. Japan has many Aircraft, including the
Mitsubishi F-1 which is capable of carrying such Weapons.


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M. Spector
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posted 09 October 2006 10:18 AM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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One can be certain that there are those in Washington's circles of power that welcome Pyongyang's test. In their minds. the very fact of its occurrence means that they no longer have to pretend that there is a diplomatic route to resolving the Korean situation. Not that this administration really understands the meaning of diplomacy anyhow, but this test means they don't even have to pretend.
Ron Jacobs

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Gollygee
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posted 09 October 2006 10:38 AM      Profile for Gollygee        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Bobolink:
It should be noted the the Japan Defense Agency does not have the weaponry to launch a pre-emptive strike on North Korea. This is about as credible as San Marino launching a pre-emptive strike on Paraguay.

[ 11 July 2006: Message edited by: Bobolink ]


True. Not only that but both China and Russia in th epast have made it clear they would wipe Japan off the map if it ever again undertakes any military aggression beyond it's borders. We in the West don't empathize with the horror Japan imposed on Korea and China in the 30's and WW2. Murder on a scale that some say surpassed the Holocaust.


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500_Apples
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posted 09 October 2006 02:14 PM      Profile for 500_Apples   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Japan's conventional military forces are larger than those of Russia and China combined, Japan being the world's second military power. It may lack nuclear weapons, but it has the intellectual capability to produce rather quickly, and anyhow is allied with USA.

quote:
True. Not only that but both China and Russia in th epast have made it clear they would wipe Japan off the map if it ever again undertakes any military aggression beyond it's borders.

A hollow threat... did it even take place?


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Fidel
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posted 09 October 2006 02:23 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by 500_Apples:
Japan's conventional military forces are larger than those of Russia and China combined, Japan being the world's second military power.

I think China has the largest army as far as numbers go. Next would be India and then North Korea, I think. MacArthur and hawks discovered that land war in Asia isn't feasible.


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