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Mr. Magoo
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posted 12 December 2005 02:19 PM
Ya, I wondered the same thing. Porn, in the mall, right beside the water slide?Then I remembered that to the anti-porn crowd, "Secrets of Sensual Massage" = hardcore domination with violence. Anyone living in Edmonton that could get us some intel on this? Is there really a hardcore porn shop right next to the amusement park?
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Reality. Bites.
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posted 12 December 2005 02:32 PM
quote: Originally posted by shaolin: Call me suspicious, but I don't think the letter is legit anyway. Yup, your girlfriend thinks that hardcore stuff is a normal part of sexuality but you're only down with the suicide girls - uh huh.
I may regret asking this, but what are "suicide girls?" It didn't seem logical that porn would be displayed like that in the West Edmonton Mall, but I've never been there. Seems likely to me the mall management wouldn't tolerate it, which is why I suggested complaining to them. Also, who writes to Auntie with hyperlinks? If I'd researched something so thoroughly, why would I care what Auntie thinks?
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Reality. Bites.
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posted 12 December 2005 02:35 PM
quote: Originally posted by Mr. Magoo: Anyone living in Edmonton that could get us some intel on this? Is there really a hardcore porn shop right next to the amusement park?
Paging Gir Draxon, paging Gir Draxon! Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to infiltrate the West Edmonton Mall, disguised as a "horndog." As always, should you or your operatives be caught or killed in your porn search, babble will laugh hysterically and never let you forget it.
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writer
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posted 12 December 2005 02:35 PM
The slides. westedmall.com [ 12 December 2005: Message edited by: writer ]
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Reality. Bites.
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posted 12 December 2005 02:37 PM
quote: Originally posted by writer: The slides. westedmall.com [ 12 December 2005: Message edited by: writer ]
Truly this porn stuff is a slippery slope.
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shaolin
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posted 12 December 2005 02:43 PM
quote: Also, who writes to Auntie with hyperlinks? If I'd researched something so thoroughly, why would I care what Auntie thinks?
Exactly, RB. I'm not going to link to Suicide Girls but it's easy enough to look up. Basically, it's soft core porn (actually, 'erotica' may be a more appropriate word, at least from my point of view, at least until they started doing spread shots...) for those who like their sexualized female images with lots of tattoos and piercings. It's supposed to be edgy and cool, but it's really the same old thing with more hair dye, more metal and more ink. To be fair, there's much less silicone and perhaps people are a little more real, in the same way those American Apparel models are real and real doesn't include anything above a size 8, but all that generally means is that they get paid less.
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shaolin
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posted 12 December 2005 02:49 PM
Well, it seems there is a choice of: quote: Love Boutique Fulfill your fantasies at the Love Boutique. They carry an extensive selection of adult erotica guaranteed to spice up your life. 1412 780.444.3226 Love Boutique Fulfill your fantasies at the Love Boutique. They carry an extensive selection of adult erotica guaranteed to spice up your life. 1930 780.481.2590 Luv N Stuff Discover the sensual surprises awaiting you at Luv-N-Stuff. They specialize in exotic adult products for those who want to add a little excitement to their lives.
Doesn't sound all that hardcore, but I could see how such a store might have something 'offensive' on display.
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Cueball
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posted 12 December 2005 02:56 PM
quote: Originally posted by shaolin:
Exactly, RB. I'm not going to link to Suicide Girls but it's easy enough to look up. Basically, it's soft core porn (actually, 'erotica' may be a more appropriate word, at least from my point of view, at least until they started doing spread shots...) for those who like their sexualized female images with lots of tattoos and piercings. It's supposed to be edgy and cool, but it's really the same old thing with more hair dye, more metal and more ink. To be fair, there's much less silicone and perhaps people are a little more real, in the same way those American Apparel models are real and real doesn't include anything above a size 8, but all that generally means is that they get paid less.
When it first came out I thought it was kinda interesting, as the individual sites were designed by the suicide girls themselves, and had a lot more personal content. Kind of an exploration thing, as it was described to me. There was also some young queer content, but was primarily heterosexual. But it has been professionalized and the propritors have managed to turn it into membership based modeling/call girl agency, which runs "parties," one of which I was asked to help organize once. This I declined. The parties, as far as I know, are pretty straight up dating services. With or without cash, I couldn't say. [ 12 December 2005: Message edited by: Cueball ]
From: Out from under the bridge and out for a stroll | Registered: Dec 2003
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shaolin
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posted 12 December 2005 03:01 PM
quote: I hope it wasn't one of those lollipops that looks like a penis! Or the Adult Twister! Or one of those little kits with a blindfold, some massage oil and a feather!
Maybe. Or maybe it was one of those fuckable fake vaginas based on some mould of a pornstar, or some XXX video with a gang bang theme? Actually, I tend to agree that a store in the mall would probably leave this stuff on the back wall, rather than in the window display. But then, Mr. Suicide Girls seemed to think it was inappropriate enough for his mother to react, so who knows.
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Cueball
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posted 12 December 2005 03:02 PM
quote: Originally posted by writer: Check out this discussion about Suicide Girls on Feministe for more BG: Suicide Girls Quit The Site, Charging Exploitation and Male-Domination
Yes, well that was the direction it seemed to be going. quote: The message of business-side female empowerment hasn’t hurt either. “The perception that women had an important/equal role in the administration of the site probably made it more attractive to some people who might not have visited a porn site otherwise,” d’Addario said.
I think its a common misconception that women don't exploit women in the sex trades. [ 12 December 2005: Message edited by: Cueball ]
From: Out from under the bridge and out for a stroll | Registered: Dec 2003
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CMOT Dibbler
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posted 12 December 2005 03:03 PM
quote: Ya, I wondered the same thing. Porn, in the mall, right beside the water slide? Then I remembered that to the anti-porn crowd, "Secrets of Sensual Massage" = hardcore domination with violence.
Exactly, how do you define a term as abstract as "pornography"? Then there's the fact that the porn industry is massive, multifaceted and definitely cannot be generalized about. Yes their is a lot of scuzzy hardcore exploitative porn out there made by studios that don't care about the actors they employ, but their is also porn made by studios who do take care of their actors, and create pornography featuring gentle love making (or at least so I've heard)* *this is not to say of course that all studios that make hard-core pornography treat their models like garbage or that all studios that make the soft core stuff treat their actors humanly, I'm just saying that that it isn't a black-and-white issue.
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swirrlygrrl
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posted 12 December 2005 05:05 PM
Oh! Oh! Finally, my extensive knowledge of West Edmonton Mall pays off! From spending 8 years living in west Edmonton, and 4 years working in the mall, and being maid of honour at my friend's wedding 2 years ago (yes, we did have penis shaped ballons), I feel I've done my research on this subject, though not as of late (give me 2 weeks - I can do an update!)Okay, the upstairs adult store, as I recall, has wide open doors, and window displays, which featured more the novelty type stuff for bachelor/ette parties (penis shaped macaroni, breast shaped candles, etc.), and the "erotic" stuff (massage oils, blindfolds, really ugly "hooker" shoes). I don't recall there being much that was actually hardcore or risque - certainly not a lot of boxes with "porn star" pics/graphics in the front, and I don't even recall much at the back of the store. Its open concept - you can see the back of the store from the front, though I think the side sections are a bit hidden. The store is near the sort of back entrance for the theme park, but its rarely used for that (pretty much only locals would know, since you have to go through a "market" style section to get to the theme park). Mostly, now, its people going to the casino that use that hallway. There is another "adult" store downstairs, just by the mini golf and the boat/submarines/dolphins, but it has frosted glass and a sign saying adults only. Lingerie clad mannequins and erotic twister in the display as I recall. I'm sure the upstairs store was the subject of concern, but unless things have changed significantly, everything prominently displayed was cheap and softcore. San Fransisco, a "novelty" store, sells as explicit joke items and has more stuff with 80's haired busty women spead eageld on cars in tiny string bikinis, and its aimed at kids in many respects (fuzzy toys and cheap bright lamps prominently featured in the front). Far more offensive in my mind. Tourists wouldn't know to avoid with children.
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Yst
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posted 12 December 2005 06:18 PM
quote: Originally posted by writer: Check out this discussion about Suicide Girls on Feministe for more BG: Suicide Girls Quit The Site, Charging Exploitation and Male-Domination
And thanks for the site in general. While there, I clicked on this story and found myself rolling on the floor laughing. That kind of thing would be terrifying were it any closer to home, but at arm's (or phone cord's) length, it's so absurd as to be hilarious.
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Jesus Chrysler
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posted 13 December 2005 02:48 AM
Hi guys!I was intrigued as this is the first time anything I have ever written to anyone has been published, and then I couldn't stop myself from registering to answer questions being asked! As to why I posted here at all, well, auntie's page is my homepage and I like her style. So first of all, here's my personal blog which is the only way I can think of to prove I am real... http://brawk.blogs.friendster.com/my_blog/ Now, on to questions, though I don't intend to rebut opinions, cuz that's why I wrote in: quote: Originally posted by shaolin: Yup, your girlfriend thinks that hardcore stuff is a normal part of sexuality but you're only down with the suicide girls - uh huh.
I don't think that was said at all? The only mention of the "type" of porn was mainstream (not hardcore) vs. Suicide Girls, by which I was trying, unsuccessfully I guess, to generally reference the type of porn that some would label "empowering" or whatever. quote: Originally posted by Michelle: Yeah, I'd be interested in knowing just what is being called "porn" as well. Like Magoo, I'm sceptical. And like shaolin, my spidey-sense is tingling about the letter itself.
Umm, since I was with my *parents* I didn't look to closely, but it appeared like your average mainstream mags and movies, and there were some dildos in plain sight too. Nothing crazy, but nothing that isn't also usually behind some kind of screen. quote: Originally posted by RealityBites: Also, who writes to Auntie with hyperlinks? If I'd researched something so thoroughly, why would I care what Auntie thinks?
People who use the internet are often known to occasionally websurf? Also, I wish that two links made a thorough research paper...university would have been so much easier! quote: Originally posted by shaolin: No, nothing out of the ordinary, really. But the reference made me think the writer was pretty up with new, hot trends in the 'alternative' diy internet porn scene.
SG was also in, I dunno, *Wired*, about 4 years ago. I am refraining from making "that thar intarweb" jokes here... quote: Originally posted by CMOT Dibbler: Then there's the fact that the porn industry is massive, multifaceted and definitely cannot be generalized about.
Ok, but I mentioned "mainstream porn". So that is a more straightforward description than you make it out to be. quote: Originally posted by swirrlygrrl: Okay, the upstairs adult store, as I recall, has wide open doors, and window displays, which featured more the novelty type stuff for bachelor/ette parties (penis shaped macaroni, breast shaped candles, etc.), and the "erotic" stuff (massage oils, blindfolds, really ugly "hooker" shoes). I don't recall there being much that was actually hardcore or risque - certainly not a lot of boxes with "porn star" pics/graphics in the front, and I don't even recall much at the back of the store. Its open concept - you can see the back of the store from the front, though I think the side sections are a bit hidden. The store is near the sort of back entrance for the theme park, but its rarely used for that (pretty much only locals would know, since you have to go through a "market" style section to get to the theme park). Mostly, now, its people going to the casino that use that hallway.
You are right, it is the upstairs store (Luv N Stuff). Most of it is the usual, but in my casual glance (while with my parents!) I remember movies and adult toys displayed in such a manner that I could see as I walked by (with my parents!). Also, I never wrote the word "hardcore". Is hardcore mainstream now? (That could be a whole new thread.) I am confused as to what the difference is between local families and tourist families walking past the store, anyways? Anyways, with one of only a few real bank ATMs nearby (CIBC) and "Kidtropolis" just down the escalator, I would guess a few tourist families might walk past, no? Anyone can check it out here, though. Thanks to all the attention to our disagreement, my girlfriend is back to arguing with me about it.
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Reality. Bites.
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posted 13 December 2005 08:37 AM
quote: Originally posted by Jesus Chrysler: So first of all, here's my personal blog which is the only way I can think of to prove I am real...http://brawk.blogs.friendster.com/my_blog/
Hey, you're cute. Ever thought of doing porn?
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homes
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posted 13 December 2005 09:08 AM
quote: Originally posted by RealityBites:
Hey, you're cute. Ever thought of doing porn?
I wonder if your "joke" might be considered sexual harassment?
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Vigilante
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posted 14 December 2005 02:34 PM
It should be noted that suicide girls is run by a far right zionist neocon who does not give a shit about the workers in the least. The alternative look simply is a popular comodity now. Check out a place like nofauxxx.com which is as far as I know more worker friendly.
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Reality. Bites.
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posted 14 December 2005 05:01 PM
quote: Originally posted by Cueball: How have you estbalished tha the Neo-con in question is a Zionist.
Or that the Zionist in question is a neo-con? Or that the person in question is either?
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TemporalHominid
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posted 14 December 2005 11:44 PM
I find the writer's account odd, as there is no such store in west edmonton mallmaybe the writer was describing 'la vie en rose ' or the adult 'relationship' stores which I have found to be quite conservative in their displays at the front of their shops. I think there is less discretion at the San Francisco stores and at the tattoo parler in the mall, comparitively, not that I find those stores all that offending. [ 14 December 2005: Message edited by: TemporalHominid ]
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TemporalHominid
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posted 14 December 2005 11:45 PM
quote: Originally posted by Vigilante: It should be noted that suicide girls is run by a far right zionist neocon who does not give a shit about the workers in the least. The alternative look simply is a popular comodity now. Check out a place like nofauxxx.com which is as far as I know more worker friendly.
interesting interpretation. what is your source ?
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Rebecca West
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posted 27 January 2006 03:24 PM
I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, I definitely think pornography and other forms of adult entertainment have their place, but most of the content is exploitive in one way or the other. However, consenting adults working in the industry certainly don't need me to validate their work.On the other hand, I don't really want my kid seeing anything sexually explicit before she's ready. A penis-shaped sucker or candy? Hmmm...she's seen penises before, and I definitely wouldn't want her to think there's anything sordid or shameful about them. But to be honest, I don't want her to think much about them at all yet. A dildo? Well, if she's old enough to ask, she's old enough to know. However, my youngest is still at the stage where farts are the funniest, most risque thing on down there.
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