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ceti
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posted 04 May 2006 12:45 PM      Profile for ceti     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
With "An Inconvenient Truth" coming out, there's been a lot of noise around Al Gore's rehabilitation and political resurrection even if he has stenuously denied running for President.

Article from Wired Magazine

However, if it came down to it, what would a Hilary Clinton vs. Al Gore primary battle look like?


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posted 04 May 2006 01:47 PM      Profile for eau        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I am rooting for Al, nothing like a wrong being righted.
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posted 04 May 2006 03:26 PM      Profile for Nanuq   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
However, if it came down to it, what would a Hilary Clinton vs. Al Gore primary battle look like?

A guaranteed win for the Republicans?


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ceti
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posted 05 May 2006 03:23 AM      Profile for ceti     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think the "what if" question will haunt the election, as in what if Gore was in power over the last few years instead of Bush?

Then again, Ted Rall did an effective speculative piece on this where Gore would be clobbered by the post-911 fallout and the continuing neo-con war against the Clinton-Gore team. Then again, 911 may not have happened in the first place as he would rather have been on the job than goofing off on vacation.


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BTU AL GOER WUZ TOO POPULIST!!11111oneone

(Yes, the above was sarcasm. See here. )


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posted 12 May 2006 03:56 AM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Al Gore was in town for the showing of his movie at Hot Docs. I didn't know or I would have gone. Apparently, he was warm, engaging, passionate, lively, relaxed. Talking about what he believed in. I've got a short video of him in the first issue of Wholpin that shows him in much the same light.

If he does go back into politics, I hope he's learned to be himself, and not to do that Gore/Kerry/Layton super-caution thing that the Democratic/NDP managers convince you you have to do.


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posted 12 May 2006 05:03 AM      Profile for Geneva     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
as the bumper-sticker says :

re-elect Gore!


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posted 14 May 2006 11:12 PM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Gore did a couple of sketches on this weekend's Saturday Night Live. The best one was his mock State of the Union address, premised on the fact that he had won in 2000 (or, rather, that the theft of the election hadn't been successful).
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posted 14 May 2006 11:17 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh har. Nice of him to complain about it NOW. Why didn't he fight harder about it THEN?
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posted 14 May 2006 11:34 PM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Crooks and Liars has the video (and, in the comments section, a transcript).
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posted 15 May 2006 10:04 AM      Profile for ceti     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The sad thing is, he is perhaps the only one who can defeat the Hillary machine that is gathering steam. Ugh.
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posted 15 May 2006 11:16 AM      Profile for jester        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hmmm...embittered Gore stoners waxing nostalgic for what was supposed to be before Chimpy McMoron stole the brass ring.

"Only Al Gore could come up with the idea of criticizing Bush for not sucking up to the Saudis enough," sighed law professor Glenn Reynolds (Instapundit), who had been a volunteer on Mr. Gore's 1988 presidential campaign.

[ 15 May 2006: Message edited by: jester ]Al Gore

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posted 15 May 2006 11:37 AM      Profile for jester        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Both Gore and Clinton have too much baggage and in Clinton's case,she has to run now.Clinton's best before date has expired.Gore will always be hovering in the background like the kid that never gets picked for the sports team.

I am hoping for some young new talent to come to the fore.Aside from their entertainment value,Al and Hil are useful foils for the new kids to sharpen their claws on.


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posted 15 May 2006 11:48 AM      Profile for jester        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by DrConway:
BTU AL GOER WUZ TOO POPULIST!!11111oneone

(Yes, the above was sarcasm. See here. )


"Centrism is bogus," Reich argues. It's up to the Democrats to attract the largest political block in America -- the non-voters -- by defining an agenda that leads the nation, rather than one that tries to mirror the latest poll.

"The big differences in American politics today are between those with courage and those without it, those who can inspire and those who can't....On the other side is a large group of hard-boiled poll-watchers and ass-kissers who spend most of their time raising money from people and groups with a lot of it."

Thats the spirit.Hold true for the puppet Satan as well.Where is Canada's courageous non-poodle?


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posted 15 May 2006 12:36 PM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There's an affliction common to most Democrat and New Democrat elected officials and hacks. It's summed up by the advice an NDP hack gave to someone I know: "you should hide your beliefs when you run for office, so you can work for change on the inside".

Conservatives and Republicans understand something. The way to build a winning coalition is not to be so bland that you don't offend anyone. It's to identify a combination of issues that you believe in and can speak strongly about such that each bloc in your prospective coalition will be inspired by something. This is the first thing. You manage objections and reservations after you've built up a desire for commitment. Kerryitis instead starts with removing people's reservations before you've bothered to inspire them. It's possible this approach will work in the US this time around, after 8 years of Bush fatigue and a mistrust of any grand rhetoric. Or not. But in general, it's a bad idea.

If Al Gore runs again, I hope he runs on what he believes in.


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posted 15 May 2006 12:48 PM      Profile for ceti     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Jester, why you quoting from a right-winger? Trashy and possibly racist arguments no less that seek to minimize the very abuses against the Arab World that Gore is rightfully decrying.

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posted 15 May 2006 01:03 PM      Profile for jester        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Know thine enemy. I googled "embittered" and that popped up.

Is it taboo to quote right-wingers? I suggest that comfy preaching to the choir is a recipe for another drubbing from the right.

Robert Reich advocates a courageous candidate that reaches out to the non-voter.

Engaging morons politically is a thankless task.It is difficult to compete with tractor-pulling contest reruns but these non-voters are fertile populist ground.


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All the voters who can discern a "trashy and possibly racist arguement" are already onside.

The rest don't give a rats ass about Arab sensitivities. Appealling to the voter's sense of justice regarding Arab sensitivities won't win an election.

I do not believe that the Republican machine will neglect to bring up Gore's concern for Arab sensitivities if Gore ever becomes a credible threat.


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Today we have word that the Bushco Machine is monitoring the NY Times, ABC, Washington Post and others. They will tolerate no dissent so is it too late for even Al Gore?

If all Conservatives can justify this assault on a free press, is it now only a matter of going through the motions of democracy because corporations now rule?

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posted 16 May 2006 11:18 AM      Profile for ceti     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
For me though and a lot of left-leaning Americans, Gore's comments reflect a genuine concern for the victims of US foreign policy, and true regret for what the country has done both to its own civil liberties and rights and freedoms of others.

Of course Republicans will go after him for that, but what will that reflect? That he's reflecting human concern for those that they have been busy bombing for the last 4 years? Tarring him as an Arab-lover is alright by me.

Your post can read as an endorsement of the Republican view that to show any sympathy for Arab peoples is treachery.

Know thine enemy, don't become your enemy.


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quote:
Originally posted by ceti:
For me though and a lot of left-leaning Americans, Gore's comments reflect a genuine concern for the victims of US foreign policy, and true regret for what the country has done both to its own civil liberties and rights and freedoms of others.

Of course Republicans will go after him for that, but what will that reflect? That he's reflecting human concern for those that they have been busy bombing for the last 4 years? Tarring him as an Arab-lover is alright by me.

Your post can read as an endorsement of the Republican view that to show any sympathy for Arab peoples is treachery.

Know thine enemy, don't become your enemy.


I spose one can read it eitherway.In my case,when I read "asskissers raising a lot of money" I got a vision of Dubya holding hands and swooning with Saudi prince whatchamacallit.

Even though Reich meant the quote from a right wing perspective,it holds true for the left as well.

If the Democrats wish to entertain Arab sesitivities,they had better win the 2008 election first.Standing on principle and making Arab sensitivities an election issue is sure to win 49% of the vote again.


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posted 16 May 2006 01:39 PM      Profile for Américain Égalitaire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by ceti:
wn to it, what would a Hilary Clinton vs. Al Gore primary battle look like?

The final death ride of the Democratic Party.

rasmus wrote:

quote:
Al Gore was in town for the showing of his movie at Hot Docs. I didn't know or I would have gone. Apparently, he was warm, engaging, passionate, lively, relaxed. Talking about what he believed in.

Then or now?

Reich:

quote:
"The big differences in American politics today are between those with courage and those without it, those who can inspire and those who can't....On the other side is a large group of hard-boiled poll-watchers and ass-kissers who spend most of their time raising money from people and groups with a lot of it."

Try to win without raising that money for TV attack ads in the US. Go ahead. Ask Howard Dean how its done. Courage? American political organizations can't afford courage.

Jester:

quote:
If the Democrats wish to entertain Arab sesitivities,they had better win the 2008 election first.Standing on principle and making Arab sensitivities an election issue is sure to win 49% of the vote again.

49 percent? You're quite the optimist.


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posted 07 June 2006 01:32 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In other news: Connecticut Democratic Senator Christopher Dodd is running for President in 2008.

From: Dodd For President
"I hope Dodd does run for president. And I hope he wins. If that's the only way we can get him out of Connecticut, so be it."


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An american friend said a good analogy for Al Gore would be Richard Nixon. JFK stole the election from Nixon in 1960, and Nixon came back and won in 1968 amid war fatigue and other problems. He went through a list of shitty things that happened in 1968 and called it the worst year in American history. (MLK and RFK assassinated, pueblo boat off north korea's coast, race riots everywhere except detroit where the detroit tigers were doing well, tet offensive, other things).

His view is that the only chance for the democrats to win is for them to develop a machine and try and steal at least as many votes than the republicans do.


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quote:
Originally posted by 500_Apples:
An american friend said a good analogy for Al Gore would be Richard Nixon. JFK stole the election from Nixon in 1960, and Nixon came back and won in 1968 amid war fatigue and other problems. He went through a list of shitty things that happened in 1968 and called it the worst year in American history. (MLK and RFK assassinated, pueblo boat off north korea's coast, race riots everywhere except detroit where the detroit tigers were doing well, tet offensive, other things).

Though Detroit had had its riots the previous year (and particularly awful ones too, with 43 people ending up dead).


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