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James
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posted 20 May 2005 11:51 AM
From the Pawnbrokers Act, this:Pawnticket 10. At the time of taking an article in pawn, the pawnbroker shall give the pawner a pawnticket containing, (a) the pawnbroker's name and business address; (b) the name of the pawner; (c) the day, month and year in which the pledge was taken in pawn; (d) the number of the entry of the pledge in the pawnbroker's book; (e) a description of the pledge; (f) the sum lent on the pledge; (g) the rate of interest charged for the sum lent; (h) the charge for the pawnticket; and (i) the charge for storage, if any. R.S.O. 1990, c. P.6, s. 10.
From: Windsor; ON | Registered: Mar 2004
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slimpikins
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posted 24 May 2005 03:24 PM
About 10 years ago, in Medicine Hat, AB, there was a huge problem with break and enters, thefts from stores, etc. There were a couple of pawn shops in town, and they weren't giving out receipts or anything.A new pawn shop opened up. They were paying a bit more for decent stuff, mainly electronics. They almost seemed to have a shopping list, and required ID and a form when you brought anything there. Nobody was really concerned about the forms and the ID, because the owner was new in town and had long hair and always talked to the regulars about smoking dope and where he could get some good stuff. About 6 months after they opened, they closed again. And the cops in town made an unusually high number of arrests for posession of stolen property and trafficking narcotics. Plus, the guy who 'owned' the pawnshop 'left town', and the town had a new cop who looked an awful lot like the pawnshop owner except that instead of long hair, he had a buzz cut.
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'lance
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posted 24 May 2005 04:16 PM
quote: If that story's not apocryphal, it sounds like a great idea. Lots of theives arrested, you say?
It was the plot of a 1979 comedy called "Hot Stuff," starring Dom DeLuise. Which is not to say it didn't happen in Medicine Hat. Maybe police there got the idea from the movie. [ 24 May 2005: Message edited by: 'lance ]
From: that enchanted place on the top of the Forest | Registered: Jul 2001
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'lance
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posted 24 May 2005 05:09 PM
IANAL, but from what I've heard, it's not easy to use entrapment as a defence. You have to show that you were induced to commit a crime you wouldn't otherwise commit.If, when you took stolen items to a hypothetical police-run pawnshop, they said "great, if you have anything more like this, bring it in" or even "great, go out and get more like this," then you might be able to argue entrapment. But if all they operator said was "thanks, here's your money," just like any "legitimate" pawnshop owner, I'd expect the defence wouldn't work in court.
From: that enchanted place on the top of the Forest | Registered: Jul 2001
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Mr. Magoo
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posted 24 May 2005 05:19 PM
quote: You have to show that you were induced to commit a crime you wouldn't otherwise commit.
IANAL either, but I believe this inducement has to be explicit. In other words, you cannot argue that the ready cash "induced" you or the lax attitude toward Photo ID "induced" you. The police officer has to suggest it directly. Every now and again someone tries to argue that "Sting" cars (cars left unlocked and monitored by Police) are an entrapment, but simply being "stealable" is not considered inducement. Someone saying "Hey, don't you want to steal that unlocked car" is entrapment, but a car, unlocked, not harming anyone, isn't. I can't imagine that a "loose with the rules" pawnshop would be either.
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