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Jay_610
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posted 20 May 2005 11:18 AM      Profile for Jay_610     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Does any have a receipt of for a pawn shop transaction? I would like to know what they make you sign before they take your item in for exchange of the cash. So what I would like to know is what the contract says at the bottom.

Thanks I appreciate it.
Jay


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WingNut
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posted 20 May 2005 11:31 AM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The usual thing. A puff of smoke, guy in red with horns and tail appears, sign in blood ... its all good.

[ 20 May 2005: Message edited by: WingNut ]


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James
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posted 20 May 2005 11:51 AM      Profile for James        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
From the Pawnbrokers Act, this:

Pawnticket

10. At the time of taking an article in pawn, the pawnbroker shall give the pawner a pawnticket containing,

(a) the pawnbroker's name and business address;

(b) the name of the pawner;

(c) the day, month and year in which the pledge was taken in pawn;

(d) the number of the entry of the pledge in the pawnbroker's book;

(e) a description of the pledge;

(f) the sum lent on the pledge;

(g) the rate of interest charged for the sum lent;

(h) the charge for the pawnticket; and

(i) the charge for storage, if any. R.S.O. 1990, c. P.6, s. 10.


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arborman
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posted 20 May 2005 05:07 PM      Profile for arborman     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The one time I sold an item (a nintendo) to a pawnshop I was asked for nothing, recieved no reciept in return. Cash for goods.
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slimpikins
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posted 24 May 2005 03:24 PM      Profile for slimpikins     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
About 10 years ago, in Medicine Hat, AB, there was a huge problem with break and enters, thefts from stores, etc. There were a couple of pawn shops in town, and they weren't giving out receipts or anything.

A new pawn shop opened up. They were paying a bit more for decent stuff, mainly electronics. They almost seemed to have a shopping list, and required ID and a form when you brought anything there. Nobody was really concerned about the forms and the ID, because the owner was new in town and had long hair and always talked to the regulars about smoking dope and where he could get some good stuff.

About 6 months after they opened, they closed again. And the cops in town made an unusually high number of arrests for posession of stolen property and trafficking narcotics. Plus, the guy who 'owned' the pawnshop 'left town', and the town had a new cop who looked an awful lot like the pawnshop owner except that instead of long hair, he had a buzz cut.


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Mr. Magoo
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posted 24 May 2005 04:00 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If that story's not apocryphal, it sounds like a great idea. Lots of theives arrested, you say?
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'lance
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posted 24 May 2005 04:16 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
If that story's not apocryphal, it sounds like a great idea. Lots of theives arrested, you say?

It was the plot of a 1979 comedy called "Hot Stuff," starring Dom DeLuise.

Which is not to say it didn't happen in Medicine Hat. Maybe police there got the idea from the movie.

[ 24 May 2005: Message edited by: 'lance ]


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Pogo
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posted 24 May 2005 05:02 PM      Profile for Pogo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Okay so the police open a store and the operator encourages (has a shopping list) clientelle to source (read "steal") product. Sure sounds like entrappment. Maybe that is why they are not as common as they used to be?
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'lance
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posted 24 May 2005 05:09 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
IANAL, but from what I've heard, it's not easy to use entrapment as a defence. You have to show that you were induced to commit a crime you wouldn't otherwise commit.

If, when you took stolen items to a hypothetical police-run pawnshop, they said "great, if you have anything more like this, bring it in" or even "great, go out and get more like this," then you might be able to argue entrapment.

But if all they operator said was "thanks, here's your money," just like any "legitimate" pawnshop owner, I'd expect the defence wouldn't work in court.


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Mr. Magoo
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posted 24 May 2005 05:19 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
You have to show that you were induced to commit a crime you wouldn't otherwise commit.

IANAL either, but I believe this inducement has to be explicit. In other words, you cannot argue that the ready cash "induced" you or the lax attitude toward Photo ID "induced" you. The police officer has to suggest it directly.

Every now and again someone tries to argue that "Sting" cars (cars left unlocked and monitored by Police) are an entrapment, but simply being "stealable" is not considered inducement. Someone saying "Hey, don't you want to steal that unlocked car" is entrapment, but a car, unlocked, not harming anyone, isn't. I can't imagine that a "loose with the rules" pawnshop would be either.


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'lance
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posted 24 May 2005 05:22 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
IANAL either, but I believe this inducement has to be explicit. In other words, you cannot argue that the ready cash "induced" you or the lax attitude toward Photo ID "induced" you. The police officer has to suggest it directly.

That's how I understand it, too.

You in the house, jeff house?


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slimpikins
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posted 24 May 2005 05:54 PM      Profile for slimpikins     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The shopping list was of items that had already been reported stolen. The slightly higher cash was an inducement for them to bring it into that particular pawn shop.

A disclaimer, I did not actually visit the pawn shop. I am going on the word of a former co worker who was sentenced to 18 months for several counts of posession of stolen property, break and enter, and uttering a forged document. Apparantly the food service industry did not pay enough for him to pay both his rent and his utilities at the same time. Problem solved, for 18 months anyhow, and I lost track of him as he moved out of town when he got out of the remand. Too bad, I miss him. He always had a cool stereo.

I have no idea if there were any claims of entrapment. My friend, at least, plead the charges down, which seems to be the done thing when there are 6 pages of charges staring you in the face and you are as guilty as Klein.


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katy_katt
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posted 10 June 2005 01:10 PM      Profile for katy_katt     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I pawned something once, fully intending to get it back on a certain day. When that day came I was so tired from work I didn't feel like going and made plans to go on the weekend. Well, that night the place burned down!

When I checked my receipt there is actually some insurance on items that you've pawned. Unfortunately, didn't cover acts of God or vandalism (making me wonder what exactly it did cover). My digital camera was lost for good!

On the plus side, another pawn shop offered to give everyone with a recent pawn their money back. Not the cost of the actual item, but the money that was loaned to them in the first place. I was lucky enough to see that on the third page of the newspaper. Small consolation, but at least now I know to never pawn anything again!


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