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WingNut
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posted 29 July 2005 12:02 PM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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The World Bank came under fire yesterday after it was revealed that Indian civil servants were repeatedly overruled by bank officials in their choice of consultants for a multi-million dollar contract to plan the privatisation of Delhi's water supply.

Documents obtained under Delhi's freedom of information act show the bank intervened to the benefit of PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC), which had failed to make the grade when the Delhi government put out the tender in 1998.


The Guardian


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DrConway
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posted 29 July 2005 02:08 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I wonder how many former PWC employees are now in the World Bank; this also brings to mind the broader question of how often the IMF and World Bank have been used as Trojan Horses for the crack-up of government-owned apparatus in Third World nations for the preferential benefit of certain multinational corporations.
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posted 29 July 2005 04:15 PM      Profile for abnormal   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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I wonder how many former PWC employees are now in the World Bank.

Probably about the same as the number of ex Deloittes, E&Y, and KPMG employees. Which explains why it was PwC, not one of the others?

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Yes, in Buenos Aires, it was either Suez or Bechtel that only wanted to handle the clean water end of things while the city got stuck with less profitable sewer and storm runoffs. Children in Buenos Aires make an average of a dozen visits to clinics each year to treat water borne bacterial infections.

Suez Water in Paris was accused of using mafia-style tactics to secure municipal water contracts. A judge there said that "mafia" was an accurate description.

City council in Moncton, NB, got taken by a private water company that gave false estimates for transferring water distribution to their hands. Big mess and more costly than anyone knew.

The city of Atlanta has put the brakes on privatizing its water because of outrageous costs and price gouging.

In Africa, the world's poorest people have balked at meters on their water wells placed by corporations expecting them to pay a quarter of their days wages for drinking water. Another World Bank fiasco of which bears no resemblance to human nature or social justice or the basic needs of African's. It's called gouging the poor for the sake of ideology and appalling greed. The poor are rising up in protest as the last straws are placed on their backs.

The people of Bolivia have asked, "Who can own the rain ?."

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Stephen Gordon
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Wow. 5 points that have nothing to do with each other, or with the original post.

[edited to add:]

My mistake: 6.

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argentia
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posted 29 July 2005 05:05 PM      Profile for argentia        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You must get it by now. "capitalism as defined by fidel = Bad, while socialism as defined by fidel = Good."

The stain resists the blot.

Or something.


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Fidel
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posted 29 July 2005 05:13 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Stephen Gordon:
Wow. 5 points that have nothing to do with each other, or with the original post.

[edited to add:]

My mistake: 6.

[ 29 July 2005: Message edited by: Stephen Gordon ]


Unless you missed mention of privatizing Delhi's water supply in paragraph one of the Guardian article, Stephen, I think that failure of World Bank policies around the world are entirely relevant to its policy failure in Delhi, India.

And what about India exporting food to "the market" while hundreds of millions suffer chronic hunger in that showcase for World Bank policies as they worship the invisible hand ?.


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Stephen Gordon
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posted 29 July 2005 05:18 PM      Profile for Stephen Gordon        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The OP was on WB corruption.
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posted 29 July 2005 05:18 PM      Profile for faith     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Wow. 5 points that have nothing to do with each other, or with the original post.

HOw does this make any sense? All the points are related and all are relevant. The article is about 2 things - corruption in the financial sector at a very high level ,
as shown by the privatisation of a public resource necessary for the life of humans.
The fact that this is being tried in several areas of the world where people have no say about public ownership or are just so busy living a subsistence level life that they don't have the energy to fight it , is also relevant.

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Stephen Gordon
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posted 29 July 2005 05:26 PM      Profile for Stephen Gordon        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The OP was about corruption - something I'm certainly not going to advocate. But since corruption exists - to varying degrees - in every human endeavor, it's not really a smoking gun for that particular WB policy, is it?
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Fidel
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posted 30 July 2005 03:12 AM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think the problems with the World Bank are glaringly obvious. The risk for these bad loans is socialized among the poor in all of these fledgling capitalist third world countries. No one pays for the World Bank's bad choices except the hundreds of millions who end up waiting for the economic long run or death to kick-in. As long as hundreds of millions of working poor people accept their WB ball and chain, the WB's incredible string of bad investments will continue to enslave humanity. The problems are more ideological than economic, yes. It's just that capitalism is a colossal failure for billions of people.

PS: It seems the WB believes in socialism, Stephen. Make that socialism for the rich.

Viva la revolucion!

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posted 30 July 2005 09:33 AM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Originally posted by abnormal:
Probably about the same as the number of ex Deloittes, E&Y, and KPMG employees. Which explains why it was PwC, not one of the others?

So why did the WB specifically weight the dice in favor of PwC? There's only two immediately viable explanations:

1. Conflict of interest, or
2. Blatant bribery.

PwC wouldn't be above stooping to bribing WB officials if it meant getting a multimillion-(whatever-unit-of-currency-you-desire) contract, but they wouldn't have to if former employees, or even current employees, working for the WB, felt beholden to the company they work/ed for, and loaded the dice accordingly - say, in exchange for an all-expenses-paid trip with the company condo available in Bermuda.


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posted 30 July 2005 10:38 AM      Profile for abnormal   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
So why did the WB specifically weight the dice in favor of PwC? There's only two immediately viable explanations:

1. Conflict of interest, or
2. Blatant bribery.

PwC wouldn't be above stooping to bribing WB officials if it meant getting a multimillion-(whatever-unit-of-currency-you-desire) contract, but they wouldn't have to if former employees, or even current employees, working for the WB, felt beholden to the company they work/ed for, and loaded the dice accordingly - say, in exchange for an all-expenses-paid trip with the company condo available in Bermuda.


1. and the ex-Deloittes, KPMG, and E&Y employees don't have the same conflict?

2. maybe, but you'd have to prove it. An observation, anyone with enough clout to significantly impact this sort of decision wouldn't regard a trip to Bermuda as much of a bribe. At best, it would be a reminder of their roots, but I seriously doubt the monetary value of a trip to Bermuda would significantly register on the radar screen. And it doesn't explain why a week in PwC's condo is worth more than a week in KPMG's, E&Y,s or Deloittes.

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DrConway
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posted 30 July 2005 01:01 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You're stumbling onto the bigger picture, but you ain't quite there yet.

The whole point is the following:

1. I say this is the tip of the iceberg.
2. Cheap bribes work astonishingly well if you have a man or woman "on the inside" who wants a few extra perks in exchange for swinging a multimillion-dollar contract the right way.

Bribes are more expensive when you have to lay cash on the barrelhead to a stranger who never worked for your company.


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posted 30 July 2005 05:20 PM      Profile for abnormal   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Bribes are more expensive when you have to lay cash on the barrelhead to a stranger who never worked for your company.

Probably true, although in fairness I do have to point out that one of the reasons people are likely to steer things towards their ex employer is simply because they probably regard that entity as being "the best". Who knows, they may actually be right.

That still doesn't explain why PwC and not one of the others. As I've said before, I'd be surprised if the top levels of the Bank aren't full of people from all of the major accounting firms with a few people from the big consulting firms thrown in for good measure. That's to be expected.


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