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Fidel
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posted 29 July 2005 04:38 PM
Yes, in Buenos Aires, it was either Suez or Bechtel that only wanted to handle the clean water end of things while the city got stuck with less profitable sewer and storm runoffs. Children in Buenos Aires make an average of a dozen visits to clinics each year to treat water borne bacterial infections. Suez Water in Paris was accused of using mafia-style tactics to secure municipal water contracts. A judge there said that "mafia" was an accurate description. City council in Moncton, NB, got taken by a private water company that gave false estimates for transferring water distribution to their hands. Big mess and more costly than anyone knew. The city of Atlanta has put the brakes on privatizing its water because of outrageous costs and price gouging. In Africa, the world's poorest people have balked at meters on their water wells placed by corporations expecting them to pay a quarter of their days wages for drinking water. Another World Bank fiasco of which bears no resemblance to human nature or social justice or the basic needs of African's. It's called gouging the poor for the sake of ideology and appalling greed. The poor are rising up in protest as the last straws are placed on their backs. The people of Bolivia have asked, "Who can own the rain ?." [ 29 July 2005: Message edited by: Fidel ]
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Stephen Gordon
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posted 29 July 2005 04:43 PM
Wow. 5 points that have nothing to do with each other, or with the original post.[edited to add:] My mistake: 6. [ 29 July 2005: Message edited by: Stephen Gordon ]
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argentia
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posted 29 July 2005 05:05 PM
You must get it by now. "capitalism as defined by fidel = Bad, while socialism as defined by fidel = Good."The stain resists the blot. Or something.
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Fidel
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posted 29 July 2005 05:13 PM
quote: Originally posted by Stephen Gordon: Wow. 5 points that have nothing to do with each other, or with the original post.[edited to add:] My mistake: 6. [ 29 July 2005: Message edited by: Stephen Gordon ]
Unless you missed mention of privatizing Delhi's water supply in paragraph one of the Guardian article, Stephen, I think that failure of World Bank policies around the world are entirely relevant to its policy failure in Delhi, India. And what about India exporting food to "the market" while hundreds of millions suffer chronic hunger in that showcase for World Bank policies as they worship the invisible hand ?.
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Fidel
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posted 30 July 2005 03:12 AM
I think the problems with the World Bank are glaringly obvious. The risk for these bad loans is socialized among the poor in all of these fledgling capitalist third world countries. No one pays for the World Bank's bad choices except the hundreds of millions who end up waiting for the economic long run or death to kick-in. As long as hundreds of millions of working poor people accept their WB ball and chain, the WB's incredible string of bad investments will continue to enslave humanity. The problems are more ideological than economic, yes. It's just that capitalism is a colossal failure for billions of people.PS: It seems the WB believes in socialism, Stephen. Make that socialism for the rich. Viva la revolucion! [ 30 July 2005: Message edited by: Fidel ]
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DrConway
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posted 30 July 2005 09:33 AM
quote: Originally posted by abnormal: Probably about the same as the number of ex Deloittes, E&Y, and KPMG employees. Which explains why it was PwC, not one of the others?
So why did the WB specifically weight the dice in favor of PwC? There's only two immediately viable explanations: 1. Conflict of interest, or 2. Blatant bribery. PwC wouldn't be above stooping to bribing WB officials if it meant getting a multimillion-(whatever-unit-of-currency-you-desire) contract, but they wouldn't have to if former employees, or even current employees, working for the WB, felt beholden to the company they work/ed for, and loaded the dice accordingly - say, in exchange for an all-expenses-paid trip with the company condo available in Bermuda.
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abnormal
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posted 30 July 2005 10:38 AM
quote: So why did the WB specifically weight the dice in favor of PwC? There's only two immediately viable explanations:1. Conflict of interest, or 2. Blatant bribery. PwC wouldn't be above stooping to bribing WB officials if it meant getting a multimillion-(whatever-unit-of-currency-you-desire) contract, but they wouldn't have to if former employees, or even current employees, working for the WB, felt beholden to the company they work/ed for, and loaded the dice accordingly - say, in exchange for an all-expenses-paid trip with the company condo available in Bermuda.
1. and the ex-Deloittes, KPMG, and E&Y employees don't have the same conflict? 2. maybe, but you'd have to prove it. An observation, anyone with enough clout to significantly impact this sort of decision wouldn't regard a trip to Bermuda as much of a bribe. At best, it would be a reminder of their roots, but I seriously doubt the monetary value of a trip to Bermuda would significantly register on the radar screen. And it doesn't explain why a week in PwC's condo is worth more than a week in KPMG's, E&Y,s or Deloittes. [ 30 July 2005: Message edited by: abnormal ]
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DrConway
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posted 30 July 2005 01:01 PM
You're stumbling onto the bigger picture, but you ain't quite there yet.The whole point is the following: 1. I say this is the tip of the iceberg. 2. Cheap bribes work astonishingly well if you have a man or woman "on the inside" who wants a few extra perks in exchange for swinging a multimillion-dollar contract the right way. Bribes are more expensive when you have to lay cash on the barrelhead to a stranger who never worked for your company.
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