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Cueball
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posted 30 July 2005 07:24 AM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
U.S. Evicted From Air Base In Uzbekistan
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If Uzbekistan follows through, as Washington expects, the United States will face several logistical problems for its operations in Afghanistan. Scores of flights have used K2 monthly. It has been a landing base to transfer humanitarian goods that then are taken by road into northern Afghanistan, particularly to Mazar-e Sharif -- with no alternative for a region difficult to reach in the winter. K2 is also a refueling base with a runway long enough for large military aircraft. The alternative is much costlier midair refueling.


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skdadl
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posted 30 July 2005 09:01 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There is something VERY disingenuous about that report.

We have known for (one? two? three?) months that this was coming, first of all because of a tripartite agreement reached by Uzbekistan with China and Russia. That is the much more important and dangerous aspect of this story, and it isn't even mentioned there.

It may be true that the May uprising in Andijan intensified all the political jockeying going on in Central Asia, but it was not the first or sole cause.

The Bush admin, of course, has an interest in framing this story as evidence of their noble commitment to human rights in the area, but that is utter hogwash. As with Saddam and Osama before him, Karimov has been very useful to the U.S. for a long time, all during which time he was as murderous a thug as he still is, but that has never bothered them before.

They are doing damage control now, but this is still part of the Great Game, a superpower confrontation in the making (which is another reason, of course, that they are playing political games in Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, besides needing those bases).

The trouble is, this time it is three superpowers, China, Russia, and the U.S., all moving their pieces around the board at once. This is damned dangerous.

I see why the U.S. admin would have an interest in misrepresenting what is going on, but I am shocked that the Washington Post would be covering this development so superficially.


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thwap
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posted 30 July 2005 09:30 AM      Profile for thwap        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I read in Gary Leupp's latest on counterpunch about the Shanghai Cooperation Organization

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Gary Leupp

I'm hoping the bush II regime realizes that they just can't pull this one off in the face of the forces against them.


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skdadl
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posted 30 July 2005 09:40 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Great links, thwap. Thank you very much.
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Fitz
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posted 30 July 2005 10:28 AM      Profile for Fitz     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Watch this space for:

"Uzbekistan: Newest (and most dangerous) member of the Axis of Evil©"


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posted 30 July 2005 07:15 PM      Profile for maestro     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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The trouble is, this time it is three superpowers, China, Russia, and the U.S., all moving their pieces around the board at once. This is damned dangerous.

Absolutley true! It also points out how critical an event 9/11 was in terms of the Central Asian Games.

Where once al-Qaeda and the Taliban (and whoever else fundamentalists) prevented Russia and China from playing to big a role in Central Asia, now the US has to do it themselves.

But this is a very costly venture, and obviously one which local populations don't like.

The other 'stans' still have US bases, but it's only a matter of time until they too are gone.

Central Asia could return to stability, which was unthinkable as long as Islamic fundamentalism was forcing the play.

by the way, I should make clear that I don't believe al-Qaeda or the Taliban or what-have-you, have anything to do with Islam. They've always been practising politics, not religion.


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Cueball
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posted 31 July 2005 04:19 AM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Perhaps one of you should write an summary article for the main page because I am really totally at sea, given that so much is going on.
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sgm
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posted 31 July 2005 05:28 AM      Profile for sgm     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The LA Times puts a different spin on the eviction notice:

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Alexei Malashenko, a Central Asia expert at the Carnegie Moscow Center, said he believed that the eviction notice was a negotiating tool. He predicted that Washington and Tashkent would come to an agreement allowing the base to remain.

"I don't believe in the future — in a month — that Uzbekistan will insist on this," Malashenko said. "It's a kind of diplomatic game. It's not a final decision."

[snip]

Malashenko, the Central Asia expert, said the Uzbeks appeared to believe that their help with the so-called war on terror would trump U.S. qualms about their record on human rights. That left Karimov and his government "very astonished" by the U.S. reaction to events in Andijon, Malashenko said.

"They were showing everybody, the West and especially America, that they were the final frontier against terrorism. Now they're disoriented, because all the time they believed America is an ally, and the fight against terrorism is a very good pretext to do anything in Uzbekistan as far as human rights are concerned and dealing with the opposition."


We should certainly watch how this develops over the next few months.


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Cueball
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posted 31 July 2005 05:30 AM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That was the way I thought about it.
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maestro
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posted 31 July 2005 05:54 AM      Profile for maestro     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Maybe you missed the Shanghai Cooperation Organization.

Whatever Uzbekistan's motivation, they are backed by Russia and China, so this isn't a local political game. This is China mostly, and Russia re-asserting themselves in Central Asia.

This is just the opening move.


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Cueball
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posted 31 July 2005 06:30 AM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ahh yes but the Uzbeks can also be players, though their room to manouver may be slight.
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skdadl
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posted 31 July 2005 11:33 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks for that link, sgm.

Does anyone know what, specifically, is of economic interest in each of the Stans? ie: who has oil? who is more likely the route for a pipeline? etc.


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Papal Bull
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posted 01 August 2005 01:03 AM      Profile for Papal Bull   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
skdadl. OIL LINES.

Regardless of the available resources open to whomever has vested interests, pipelines from Russia to China could easily be built.

It's mostly geographic advantage.


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maestro
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posted 01 August 2005 06:42 PM      Profile for maestro     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
How can you tell when a US ally is a human rights violator?

When it becomes a former US ally.

Globe had a huge story on Uzbekistan today, in which Karimov is described as a hard line Commie in the thrall of Russia and China.

S'funny how the instant Karimov publicly demanded the US military get out, he suddenly becomes a pariah.


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Fidel
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posted 01 August 2005 07:48 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by skdadl:
Thanks for that link, sgm.

Does anyone know what, specifically, is of economic interest in each of the Stans? ie: who has oil? who is more likely the route for a pipeline? etc.


According to a friend in South America, anywhere north of the Himalayas could be what he describes as potential for oil traps. Oil seems to like to form oil in salt domes. With its vast oil and gas reserves, Uzbekistan is predicted to become the world's third largest energy producer by 2010.

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