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posted 04 May 2005 11:27 AM      Profile for writer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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The authorities in Uzbekistan have a robust policy on birth control, but evidence is emerging that in pursuit of a smaller population they are abusing women’s rights by conducting hysterectomies and implanting contraceptive devices against their will.

By Malik Boboev, Galima Bukharbaeva and Yusuf Rasulov in Andijan and Tashkent, Institute for War and Peace Reporting


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posted 04 May 2005 12:05 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This is just revolting to read. Important to think about, though.

I am trying to locate the politics of these outrages. Obviously, there is old-time Stalinist reductionism dictating the behaviour of the medical and public-health authorities, as well as of the government economic thinkers and planners.

But Uzbekistan is now run by a bizarre tyrant, Islam Karimov, and worse, Karimov is now considered a valuable ally by the U.S. (Gee: how could that be?)

So I think there are two separate problems to think about: How does the world help people, any and all people, tyrannized to this extent by a regime like this? But also: How do we make contact with the women of developing nations like this, who need to be supported, not raped by their doctors, but given greater choices and more hope than resides merely in the stark choice between sterilization or endless child-bearing?

The one thing about this report that made me hopeful was the report itself. It is inspiring to me that those three activists and researchers are there, on the ground in Uzbekistan, and producing work of this detail and value. I should think that they are in some danger, and I salute them.

[ 04 May 2005: Message edited by: skdadl ]


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Mr. Magoo
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posted 04 May 2005 12:09 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The United States needs to airlift in a few hundred fundamentalist Christians. Perhaps their fervent desire to deny women access to birth control will encounter the local government's desire to force birth control on women and the two will cancel out.

Maybe, as with matter meeting anti-matter, huge amounts of useful energy will also be released!


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posted 04 May 2005 12:15 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The U.S., alas, allows knowledge of Uzbekistan only to very high-placed cynics and greedmasters who know all about the politics of oil.

Christian fundamentalists don't qualify on that score, so nobody is telling the USian fundies about Uzbekistan.

It is that simple, Mr M.

Condi Rice runs Uzbekistan, or at least she allows Karimov to play whatever sadistic games he likes with people's lives, as long as he plays ball with U.S. plans for the Middle East and Central Asia.


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Mr. Magoo
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posted 04 May 2005 12:18 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Okay, but can we drop a few hundred fundamentalists out the back of a cargo plane anyway? I mean, it never hurts to try, right?

And of course I was being facetious. It just occurred to me that birth control can be used to oppress women in two different ways, and how versatile that is!


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skdadl
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posted 04 May 2005 12:26 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Gosh, Mr M. For once, I agree with you, and I agree with you twice.

This is a hard topic for feminists because most of us have noticed the raw stats: teach women to read = women have fewer babies = rising standard of living generally.

Now, that is very raw. Stalinist, almost. But women's fecundity is definitely a political issue.

Women's intelligence, women's agency, women's freedom -- those are political issues too, and like most feminists, I hope and believe, I want to see all those issues in play if and as we try to reach out to traumatized populations like the people of Uzbekistan.

That's the problem, though. I know the theory. I just don't know what we could do that would be of immediate, practical help.


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posted 04 May 2005 12:48 PM      Profile for writer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Profile of Uzbekistan International Women's Rights Action Watch

Human Rights Watch on Uzbekistan


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posted 04 May 2005 05:21 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Doesn't China strictly enforce a one-child-per-family policy? Or, they did, in the past?
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posted 22 May 2005 02:43 PM      Profile for raccunk     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Boom Boom:
Doesn't China strictly enforce a one-child-per-family policy? Or, they did, in the past?

A friend of mine spent several months in China and she found out some interesting things about the one child per family policy. If a person is an only child they are allowed two children but if they are one of two they are only allowed one. Twins count as one child. If a couple has a lot of money and/or connections they can buy their way out of the one child per family policy-this is of course illegal but not really surprising.


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I was given the book A mother's ordeal and it took me over a year to read it because I kept getting emotional. (Am I remembering wrong or was Shyviolet not reading it?) I was haunted by the whole content of it. It is really terrible that people would force mothers to have abortions and/or to use birth control.

I was physically ill when I heard Pat Robertson, an evangelist, speak out in favour of all that they were doing. I remember Kate Michaelman being told live about that information. As much as I disagree with her she is articulate. She STUMBLED over her words. I think she thought that the commentator was inaccurate. He's an unspeakable man. I was very pleased by what Ms. Michaelman said that day. Molly Yard supported the one-child policy but I understand that she was the exception.

It's something that I wish we collectively did something more about.


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posted 22 May 2005 03:57 PM      Profile for kuri   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I read A Mother's Ordeal during the course of researching an essay where the one-child policy was used as a case study to assess how the international refugee law regime treats women. (From a legal anthropology persepctive.) It was Chi An Wei, the subject of that biography, who was the first person to make a successful claim in the US based on persecution of the one-child policy, but her story is mirrored in cases around the UK and Commonwealth as well. It was indeed a difficult read (although not as bad as the literature from the Medical Foundation for the Care of the Victims of Torture - that was by far the most emotionally challenging thing I've ever read in my life). The details about the coercive measures taken to force women into late-term abortions, the lack of medical treatment for those who defied the state and disadvantages faced by "black children" (unauthorized children) were particularly appalling. Sterilization without consent, indeed any medical procedure carried out through coercion, can be properly thought of as mutilation.

I wasn't aware that this was taking place in Uzbekistan.

What we are seeing, I believe, is the opposite of the same coin as what we saw in Romania when lots of children were demanded. Or what we saw in the former Yugoslavia when rape was used as a war crime in order to dilute the enemy nation. Whether the goal is to increase births or decrease them, what we are seeing is political coercion written collectively on the bodies of women. It is a willful attempt to mould female bodies to serve the state. Such types of inscription can only be successful if violent. It is absurd that all women will make the same choices without being forced to.

Which leads me to believe that the solution all coercive forms of reproductive control is to empower women to make choices for themselves. My roommates from China tell me that only country women want to have more than one child anyway, so I can't help but think that that has something to do with the extreme poverty in China's rural areas which would make extra children an economic imperative despite the sanctions the state puts upon them. I can't imagine it would be much different for the water supply of Uzbekistan mentioned in the article. As Chi An Wei concludes at the end of A Mother's Ordeal, China "doesn't have a population problem, so much as a development problem."


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posted 22 May 2005 04:58 PM      Profile for beluga2     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sounds like Uzbekistan is taking some lessons from another pampered and coddled US client state, Indonesia, which apparently inflicted a program of forced sterilization on women in occupied East Timor. The purpose there was a bit different, though; rather than simply attempting to decrease the birth rate, as in China or Uzbekistan, it was specifically targeted towards the birth rate of a particular group, ethnic Timorese. Attempted genocide, in other words.

Uzbekistan is a pretty amazing example, though: a Saddam-style dictatorship that recently massacred unarmed civilians, as well as imposing social policies the Repugnicans would normally denounce as evil and sinful. skdadl's right: amazing how the "culture of life" evaporates into vapour when confronted with the cynical needs of realpolitik, huh?


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How come none of these countries have come up with the idea of sterilising MEN with one child? I know it isn't a perfect solution, but isn't it worth a try?
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posted 22 May 2005 06:20 PM      Profile for Granola Girl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This isn't my area of expertise, but a friend of mine who studies "population control" programs in the developing world, particuallry the sterilization programmes that have been going on intermittedly in India for many years now, tells me that most of these programs are thinly veiled way of making sure poor people don't reproduce. In other words they are there to make sure that only the right kinds of people have babies...
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Well Kurachina if there is a book worse than a mother's ordeal my heart won't take it.
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It's not thinly veiled. It's not veiled. Everyone who supports such programmes agrees publicly that poor people should not have children.
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Right. What I was trying to get at is the idea that there is no real "population" problem - only a distribution of wealth and development problem, which poor women, unfairly, get caught in the middle of.
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posted 22 May 2005 11:11 PM      Profile for ShyViolet     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
hailey, you are correct. i did read it. i too found it hard to read, but i was the opposite of you in terms of reaction to that. i couldn't stop reading it! i just had to know what ended up happening to her and her family.
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posted 22 May 2005 11:17 PM      Profile for ephemeral     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
actually, there really is a "population problem". yes, i agree that distribution of wealth is highly uneven, but i wouldn't suggest that population growth in uzbekistan, india and china is unproblematic. (i think china's population is gradually declining?) in indian cities , one can barely walk on the sidewalks because thare so many poor people who spread out a rug on the sidewalk and settle down with their families. it's not much better in the rural villages. the little huts are built so close to each other so as to cram more people into one little village that the kids barely have any room to play outdoors or indoors.

but just because i believe that population is a problem doesn't mean i agree with uzbekistan's secret birth control policy. there are healthier and safer ways to control birth rate. i believe that education is by far the most important tool. women have to try harder to gain equality with men, and stop believing that their role in society is to get married (or be owned by a man), serve all his needs and have lots and lots of children.


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Actually, I'm just now recalling that Rohinton Mistry's A Fine Balance dealt with Indian family planning methods. Again they were coercive and aimed almost exclusively at the poor. Keeping in mind that this was a fictionalized account, in that case, though, it was men who were the target of the policy, and not only those who had already had children. In fact, IIRC, one of the main characters is mutilated by a coercive (and botched) vasectomy. I'm wondering if India is the exception? I know from what I read on China that their policy is aimed almost completely at women because men complain that if they are sterilized they will be made 'weak', etc. but perhaps India is an exception?
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posted 23 May 2005 03:55 PM      Profile for brebis noire     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In A Fine Balance, it wasn't merely a botched vasectomy, it was a castration...and it was a caste-based case of revenge. I'm not sure how representative that is of any official policy in India.
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Slaman Rushdie's first big novel (I think), Midnight's Children, also deals with the forced sterilization and ghetto-clearing policies undertaken by Indira Ghandi in her efforts to eliminate poverty by eliminating the poor.
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Ahh, thanks for the reminder, Brebis Noire. I never remember fiction very accurately. Particularly if I'm enjoying reading it.
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