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Boarsbreath
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posted 28 November 2005 06:07 PM      Profile for Boarsbreath   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No, not Wiccan...witches getting burned. Well, shot. In this case Tanzania...
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/africa/article329687.ece
(Nyere was a good friend of that fine judge of character PE Trudeau)

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aRoused
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posted 29 November 2005 07:40 AM      Profile for aRoused     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
On the one hand, accusations of 'witchcraft' (using the usual anthropological translation) are probably one of, if not *the* earliest form of social control, serving to warn people who are transgressing societal boundaries that they're going too far, allowing them to remedy their behaviour, step back in line, and continue to live their lives in accordance with local customs and norms. In a society without hierarchy or police forces, it can and does work fairly well, albeit not in any kind of definition of 'working well' that we as Westerners would accept.

On the other hand, what's going on here is taking a valid, if unpleasant, risky and potentially violent form of social control past the scale at which it was supposed to operate. Tanzania is a nation-state, not a band of gatherer-hunters, and as such, *has* police forces, various hierarchies, etc. that should be stepping into the breach between traditional smaller-scale societies and large states, but here aren't (or aren't willing/able to). So the concept of bad luck and disease being caused by 'witches' (often deliberately vague, distant, or concealed) has been coupled with a modern profit motive and generated roving bands of hired killers taking advantage of local superstitions to make a buck.


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Michelle
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posted 29 November 2005 07:45 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Pretty horrifying. An interesting social commentary in the article on why this is happening:

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A combination of poverty, ignorance and personal jealousies leaves fearful and frustrated peasants quick to blame any adverse act of fate - a dead child, a failed crop, an inheritance settlement where a sibling receives all the land - on witchcraft. Throw into the pot malicious gossip and an often fatal bout of finger-pointing at old women, and the result is vigilante groups of professional killers moving from village to village, accepting payments to remove the "problem" by hacking, beating or burning. Four cows or $100 is said to be the going rate.

I like how they tie it in to economic conditions rather than just playing the "backward people with backward beliefs" card.


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idontandwontevergolf
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posted 29 November 2005 07:43 PM      Profile for idontandwontevergolf     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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A combination of poverty, ignorance and personal jealousies leaves fearful and frustrated peasants quick to blame any adverse act of fate - a dead child, a failed crop, an inheritance settlement where a sibling receives all the land - on witchcraft

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I like how they tie it in to economic conditions rather than just playing the "backward people with backward beliefs" card.

It is refreshing that it is not tied to "backward people...." But why women? Why are so-called "witches" always women, particularly old women? Could it be because they have outlived their economic usefulness and they are the easiest to victimize?


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aRoused
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posted 29 November 2005 08:14 PM      Profile for aRoused     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, they (those accused of witchcraft) aren't (exclusively women). Necessarily. Usually.

But this is a really screwed-up situation where gangs of thugs are making coin off of people's beliefs. Given the heroism shown by these honourable and noble gangs of thugs, I'm sure they're more than happy that the usual targets of these specific witchcraft accusations *are* women, and better yet, old women, not young, hale men who own their own machete, and who have cadres of friends and supportive families that might seek to revenge their deaths. After all, it wouldn't do to have the noble witch-killers get chopped out because some greedy witch-smeller fingered the wrong guy, right?

Seriously, though, this kind of system doesn't usually discriminate all that much. In fact, given the patriarchical bent of many small-scale societies, men could arguably be *more* the focus of these sorts of accusations than women, since they're the ones more expected to gain reknown/earn lotsa money/big themselves up. But this CURRENT situation is NOT NORMAL.

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idontandwontevergolf
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posted 30 November 2005 12:23 PM      Profile for idontandwontevergolf     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
But the situation is not just current. It seems to have been going on for a long time. One woman's story, mentioned in the article, went back 19 years.
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aRoused
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posted 01 December 2005 09:54 AM      Profile for aRoused     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sorry, I had my anthropologist and archaeologist hats on, there. 'Current' meaning 'colonial and particularly postcolonial'. Playing the odds and without checking, Tanzania got independence probably in the '50s or '60s?
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