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Scaramanga
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posted 05 April 2007 02:38 PM      Profile for Scaramanga        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
First the pig farm, and now this. I thought Vernon had it rough.

Port Coquitlam Mayor behind bars
Apr, 05 2007 - 11:50 AM


VANCOUVER - The Mayor of Port Coquitlam is in jail.
Coquitlam mounties says Scott Young was arrested last night at 11:45 in relation to an incident in Coquitlam, but they aren't saying what exactly that incident was.
Police say he remains in custody while regional crown reviews the current charges in addition to charges stemming from previous incidents.
In early March Young was charged with breach of undertaking relating to allegations of harassment from his ex-girlfriend.
In 2002 charges against Young were stayed relating to an assault on his ex-wife.


- CKNW

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remind
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posted 05 April 2007 05:09 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
breaking and entry

undertaking an indictable offense, what ever that is

harassment

All relating to slapping his ex g/f.


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posted 05 April 2007 05:33 PM      Profile for HeywoodFloyd     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Nice guy. Sounds like he's in the right place pending some time on a therapist's couch.
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posted 05 April 2007 06:15 PM      Profile for mayakovsky     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Poco can also be proud being the home of Terry Fox!

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FraserValleyMan
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posted 07 April 2007 11:27 AM      Profile for FraserValleyMan        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Scott Young is an active NDP member. This one is going to be very, very hard on the party.
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posted 07 April 2007 11:41 AM      Profile for writer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Why? Sexist, oppressive behaviour knows no political boundaries. Why pretend otherwise?
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posted 07 April 2007 11:57 AM      Profile for Steppenwolf Allende     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Poco can also be proud being the home of Terry Fox!

Actually, in memory serves, he was from Port Moody.


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FraserValleyMan
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posted 08 April 2007 06:20 PM      Profile for FraserValleyMan        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by writer:
Why? Sexist, oppressive behaviour knows no political boundaries. Why pretend otherwise?

That may be so, but when it happens it's more damaging to the NDP, and to some extent the Liberals, than for the Conservatives given the heavier emphasis these two parties place on gender issues. Also, the BC NDP tends to wear any loss hard, and Young is otherwise well liked and had previously been seen as someone with potential.


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posted 08 April 2007 06:49 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Although unfair, you're probably right. People just expect people who pull this shit to be right-wing troglodytes who hate women (although this is not to say that all right-leaning people would pull this shit on women). They don't expect people who hurt women to be NDP since, unlike the Conservatives, the NDP doesn't campaign on misogynist and racist policies.

Unfortunately, writer is correct though. Feminists have known forever that there are lots of lefty guys who refuse to give up their male privilege and sexist behaviour, just as people of colour have long known that there are lots of white folks in progressive movements (e.g. left-wing parties like the NDP, the women's movement, etc.) who just "don't get it" when it comes to racism.


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posted 08 April 2007 08:35 PM      Profile for Vansterdam Kid   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Did he get elected as a partisan? I thought most councillors are officially non-partisan? Because if he is, the reporters would have to go out of their way to add random tidbits about him like: he's a left-winger, he's a member of the NDP, he's a member of the so and so church or he's an atheist, he's a member of the so and so union and he frequently shops at these stores and lives in this neighbourhood. Unless he was elected on some partisan ticket, I don't see how the association would make sense.
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1. The guy is innocent until proven guilty.
2. This is a story centred on possible violence against / stalking of at least one woman.
3. A party that cares about violence against women needs members who care about violence against women. And not so much about how the potential violent behaviour of one of its members might not make the party look so good. Or be bad for morale.
4. Well liked. Has potential. Gosh, how long have women heard that about the guy who showed a whole other side in private?

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posted 08 April 2007 09:40 PM      Profile for FraserValleyMan        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by writer:
1. The guy is innocent until proven guilty.
2. This is a story centred on possible violence against / stalking of at least one woman.
3. A party that cares about violence against women needs members who care about violence against women. And not so much about how the potential violent behaviour of one of its members might not make the party look so good. Or be bad for morale.
4. Well liked. Has potential. Gosh, how long have women heard that about the guy who showed a whole other side in private?

I agree, and if you run point 4 up against point 1, you'll see what I mean. There will be people who really want him to be, to borrow a phrase, 100% not guilty.

Just to answer VK's point, the guy is an active NDPer, and if the media haven't yet picked up on that, well, ... I think I hear a ticking noise.


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posted 08 April 2007 10:06 PM      Profile for Vansterdam Kid   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by writer:
1. The guy is innocent until proven guilty.
2. This is a story centred on possible violence against / stalking of at least one woman.
3. A party that cares about violence against women needs members who care about violence against women. And not so much about how the potential violent behaviour of one of its members might not make the party look so good. Or be bad for morale.
4. Well liked. Has potential. Gosh, how long have women heard that about the guy who showed a whole other side in private?

Did I say otherwise?

So just to clarify, FVM - he wasn't elected on a partisan ticket then? Even though he's involved in the party.

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posted 09 April 2007 12:58 PM      Profile for FraserValleyMan        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Vansterdam Kid:

So just to clarify, FVM - he wasn't elected on a partisan ticket then? Even though he's involved in the party.


There is no official NDP slate in Port Coquitlam, so yes, he's an independent for the purposes of local elections. But really, that has nothing to do with it. He's a member of the NDP and there will be hurt and stress over this.


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fido
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posted 10 April 2007 01:04 PM      Profile for fido     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I see the PoCo NDP MLA Mike Farnworth has called for him to step down.
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posted 10 April 2007 01:22 PM      Profile for Scaramanga        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Good for him, that shows integrity.

Seems now that the mayor is out on bail. I can't be the only one here who thinks that the words "mayor" and "out on bail" should not be used in the same sentence.

Scott Young Free on $10,000 Bail


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posted 10 April 2007 01:22 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by fido:
I see the PoCo NDP MLA Mike Farnworth has called for him to step down.

That is good to see/hear.


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Scaramanga
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posted 12 April 2007 09:27 AM      Profile for Scaramanga        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
From what the newspapers say, it's likely he will make an announcement today.

This brings up a larger question. If someone is charged with a criminal offence, but not yet convicted, should they step down before being convicted.

i say yes, because a public office is a position of trust that nobody has a right to. Being charged with a criminaloffence itself damages the office along with the person holding it.

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posted 12 April 2007 04:32 PM      Profile for Scaramanga        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
An update:

BC Mayor to step down following arrest

But don't let the headline fool you. He's not stepping down. Just seeking treatment for alcohol.

I guess that all of this can be blamed on alcohol.

I feel a lot better knowing this.


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posted 12 April 2007 04:38 PM      Profile for Summer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Steppenwolf Allende:

Actually, in memory serves, he was from Port Moody.


I lived in PoCo many eons ago. Terry Fox was definitely from there. Home of Terry Fox High and the Terry Fox Library. My teachers were his teachers etc.

Port Coquitlam is a pretty big hole. The two things they have are Terry Fox and that at least it's not Surrey. Please don't take that away.


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He's stepping aside to deal with an alcohol problem. Apparently that was the cause of it all.

Listen to Scott Young's Statement


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Scaramanga
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Sounds like his own city council is not satisfied, and are unanimously calling for his resignation

Port Coquitlam Councillors Request Mayor's Immediate Resignation

PRESS RELEASE
City Councillors Request Mayor’s immediate resignation


April 13, 2007 … Port Coquitlam, BC… After hearing Mayor Young’s public statement this morning and upon giving considerable thought to its content, all Port Coquitlam City Councillors feel compelled to respond publicly to its constituents on this matter.

In his statement, Scott Young confirmed that what he did last week was wrong and that his actions were inappropriate and attributed to an alcohol abuse problem.

In view of this statement and in consideration of the extensive public feedback and other information available on this issue, Port Coquitlam City Councillors have come to a unanimous decision to take a collective position on this matter. While all members of Council recognize and are appreciative of Scott Young’s past leadership and hard work in serving this community, we cannot accept his return to office as our City’s Mayor. To do so would endorse the notion that alcoholism is an excuse for violence.

We understand that Scott Young has indicated his commitment to counseling and alcohol treatment. We commend him for that decision and wish him well in his recovery.

In the best interest of our City’s governance and in order to bring closure to this personal matter, which has now adversely affected our community, the City Councillors of Port Coquitlam are requesting that Scott Young tender his resignation forthwith.

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posted 16 April 2007 08:29 AM      Profile for arborman     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Scaramanga:
This brings up a larger question. If someone is charged with a criminal offence, but not yet convicted, should they step down before being convicted.

While every case is different, I think we need to be very careful about this sort of thing.

I'm thinking of the bogus charges against Glen Clark, which destroyed his career and the futures of the NDP as well. He was acquitted in the end, long after all the blood had been shed.

It's not out of the question for the police to trump up charges against people they dislike. And the police tend to dislike progressives, as a general rule.

So I think it depends on the circumstance.


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posted 16 June 2007 08:41 PM      Profile for Louisa Russell   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You can help support the women of Port Coquitlam to insist that the Mayor Scott Young steps down by adding to the public pressure they have created and by signing this petition here:
http://www.petitiononline.com/petyoung/petition.html
If you are not from Port Coquitlam or the Tri Cities just indicate that on the comments line.

Louisa Russell
Vancouver Rape Relief and Women's Shelter


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I am very confused about this story. Can someone tell me how he pleaded to the charges? And whether he has publicly admitted what he is alleged to have done? The press release above says he described his actions as "inappropriate". That would be like burping loudly at a restaurant, right?

I believe in presumption of innocence in criminal matters. But no public figure should be able to get away with "no comment" on serious accusations of this nature.

There are many people in this country suffering from alcoholism. They deserve help, treatment, and support, and protection of their privacy. But when a mayor is charged with criminally abusing women among other things, why the hell do I want to hear (from him) that he is suffering from a disability?

Conclusion: Unless I've missed something, this liar and public whiner should be thrown bodily out of office. They turfed that other troublemaker and liar (Dar Hethrington? something like that?) who refused to quit. Why is this guy being politely asked to quit? Because of his tremendous past contributions?


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quote:
Originally posted by unionist:
They turfed that other troublemaker and liar (Dar Hethrington? something like that?) who refused to quit. Why is this guy being politely asked to quit? Because of his tremendous past contributions?

Good points. I had forgotten about Hetherington.

Your last point, past contributions, is also relevant. Scott Young still has supporters, mostly NDP and labour people. One of them is the former MP from Mission-Coquitlam, Joy Langan, whose has been a labour activist and official all her life. During her term in Parliament she was the first to raise concerns about breast implants, for which she was ridiculed by Mulroney's MPs.

It's a difficult time for NDP members in Port Coquitlam, and I had a discussion with one of them the other day on the way to work. As he said to me, in any other labour context one would urge a member to seek counselling and to assert their ability, with that help, to keep doing their job. I guess the basic question is whether that approach is applicable here.


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B.C. mayor gets conditional sentence for assault

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Port Coquitlam Mayor Scott Young has been sentenced for assault and breach of court order, but he can still hold office and run for re-election in November.

Mr. Young is facing a 12-month conditional sentence followed by an 18-month probationary sentence for assaulting his ex-girlfriend and her boyfriend in April, 2007.


So not only does this low-life asshole get a slap on the wrist, but he continues to prance around in his mayoral robes.

What kind of province is this? A convicted drunk driver as premier, and a woman-beater as mayor? Are there actually any citizens out there who can express a little disgust and indignation?


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quote:
Originally posted by unionist:
B.C. mayor gets conditional sentence for assault

So not only does this low-life asshole get a slap on the wrist, but he continues to prance around in his mayoral robes.

What kind of province is this? A convicted drunk driver as premier, and a woman-beater as mayor? Are there actually any citizens out there who can express a little disgust and indignation?


No. In BC we save the disgust and indignation for the more serious low-life assholes. Like federal Liberals.

This particular wanker is just another run-of-the-mill lowlife like Vernon's former mayor and others in colourful BC.His NDP connections won't help him salvage his political career but by hanging on to office,he can at least generate a few bucks and pretend he is important.

I listened to the tape of his ex-GF's 911 call. Mr. Mayor is a real piece of work. I also watched him stonewall protesters demanding his resignation in a council meeting. Smirking little weasel. The voters will turf his ass but don't expect this turd to resign.


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Jester, I've asked before and I ask again: Why doesn't the council or the province remove him?? Who is he, God?
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Unionist, I don't believe that there's anything under the municipal governance act (or whatever its called) provincially that allows for the removal of an elected official civically. There are municipal elections coming up shortly (November 08). I would be highly and extremely shocked to see Scott Young's name on the ticket.

In all reality, he should have stepped down upon this issue becoming public. Then again, if the premier of the province can keep his office (and win re election) after being convicted of drunk driving (while on vacation, for whatever thats worth... absolutely zero in my book.) Then by that example, Young should win the Mayor's seat in Poco in a total landslide, should he run again.

Welcome to the wild wacky world of BC politics. In all its sesspool splendour.


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quote:
Originally posted by unionist:
Jester, I've asked before and I ask again: Why doesn't the council or the province remove him?? Who is he, God?

I don't know but my opinion is that 'innocent till proven guilty' is a good excuse for not acting while the real reason is not wanting to get close enough to this trainwreck to have any of the shit stick to one's fur.

The 'council or the province' refers to politicians. Any politician with future political asperations will run from this toxic mess and avoid having their name linked in the media.

Thats why they are politicians in the first place. Especially in BC where wacky is normal.


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quote:
Originally posted by unionist:
So not only does this low-life asshole get a slap on the wrist, but he continues to prance around in his mayoral robes.
Yes, amazing isn't it? Particiularily when ones considers that he alreay was under conditional orders prior to this offense, for a similar actions against either his ex-wife, or another ex-girl friend. Goes to show you how crimes against women are perceived by the judicary.

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What kind of province is this? A convicted drunk driver as premier, and a woman-beater as mayor? Are there actually any citizens out there who can express a little disgust and indignation?

A province that has no laws stating that an elected official must resign if convicted of a criminal offense. A state of being that most likely will continue for a few years yet.

There have been more than a few BCer's expressing indignation and disgust, myself included.

Gordo set the stage for privileged white male non-culpability, with his refusing to resign, and there was no way that we could have him removed.

We could go into the politics of why Gordo perceived, correctly, that he could get away with it. But it would serve little use in quelling indignation and disgust.

As for Po Co's mayor, Scott Young, he followed the example set, plus he no doubt needs the wage, and capitalized on the fact he could not be removed. Perhaps even he is hoping that:

a) Po Co people in the majority are not paying attention, so do not know, in large enough amounts, to hurt his mayorality.

b) People are paying attention, and don't/won't care, as it was only a crime against a woman.

c) It will blow over.

Now, seeing as how the city council did not stop sitting in protest to his continued sitting as mayor, one must assume that there has been no barage of Po Co residents calling for them to do so, until he resigns.

Having said that, it could be that Po Co residents were waiting to see if the charges resulted in a guilty verdict, before further action was taken to try to oust him. Or perhaps they feel that an election is emminent so that is where they will express their disgust, if given a chance, as he may not run for re-election even.

In fact, who knows, he could resign Monday, as his conviction just happened yesterday.

Given that the guilty verdict just happened late yesterday, it is quite early, don't you think, to express disgust at Po Co residents? Citizens of BC, have nothing to do with this issue, as such should not be condemned over a perceived lack of actioning the criminal actions of a city's mayor.


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quote:
Originally posted by jester:
I don't know but my opinion is that 'innocent till proven guilty' is a good excuse for not acting while the real reason is not wanting to get close enough to this trainwreck to have any of the shit stick to one's fur.


He's no longer innocent, he's officially guilty and has been given a one year conditional sentence.

The council did urge him to quit, but he declined as it were. They have no power to vote him out. The MLA for the area, Mike Farnworth, who got his start in politics as a Port Coquitlam councillor, also urged him to quit. As for provincial legislation, that may need updating in order to deal with eventualities such as this. But the problem, that you rightly allude to, is at the charge stage not the conviction stage. If charged with what? Do you quit because you have been charged with shoplifting? Murder? At the low end no, at the upper end, yes. But where's the cutoff line?


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quote:
Originally posted by remind:
Given that the guilty verdict just happened late yesterday, it is quite early, don't you think, to express disgust at Po Co residents? Citizens of BC, have nothing to do with this issue, as such should not be condemned over a perceived lack of actioning the criminal actions of a city's mayor.

Beg to disagree, remind. He acknowledged his actions from day one (that's more than a year ago). And he actually entered a guilty plea in May. All that happened this week was the sentence.

Your comment and that of others in this thread actually proves - unfortunately - that not many people have been following this story and demanding his ouster. Otherwise, if not before, then the demand would surely have come in May.

It also makes little sense IMO to use the legislation as an excuse, as some have done. It is the council, not the Mayor, which is sovereign in terms of municipal bylaws, rules of order, etc. They could throw the sorry bastard out of their meetings. They could at least adopt a friggin' motion demanding that he resign. They have done absolutely nothing.

This shows that citizens have lost faith in the system, after ugly spectacles like Campbell and Hethrington and others. It will have to be restored. The only way to do that is to have a fight and win some victory, however small. But not fighting is like not buying a lottery ticket.

ETA: I have now found a request by the Council to Young that he leave office, here, after he pleaded guilty in May. It is so polite it hurts. And it ends by wishing him well in his rehab.

No one can convince me that Council can't make a Mayor's life impossible, law or no law, if they want to. But that requires an outcry from the citizenry.

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quote:
Originally posted by unionist:
... It is the council, not the Mayor, which is sovereign in terms of municipal bylaws, rules of order, etc. They could throw the sorry bastard out of their meetings. They could at least adopt a friggin' motion demanding that he resign. They have done absolutely nothing.


The council has no power to un-elect the Mayor. They did ask him to quit, but he declined.


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quote:
Originally posted by MCunningBC:


The council has no power to un-elect the Mayor.


Are you sure they can't keep him out of meetings?


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quote:
Originally posted by unionist:
No one can convince me that Council can't make a Mayor's life impossible, law or no law, if they want to. But that requires an outcry from the citizenry.


I gather you wished him ill in his rehab?

They don't have any power to vote him out. They can ask, but that's it.

As for making his life impossible, what do you want them to do? Obstruct all council business until he goes?

As for the citizen outcry you cry out for, why not sell your house in Montreal, move to Port Coquitlam and lead that outcry yourself, if this issue is of such overwhelming importance to you personally.


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If anyone wishes to understand the public attitude I have been referring to since last year in this thread, please read the previous post.

And if I owned a house - like some complacent residents of your province clearly do - I might follow your advice.


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Beg to disagree, remind...Your comment and that of others in this thread actually proves - unfortunately - that not many people have been following this story and demanding his ouster. Otherwise, if not before, then the demand would surely have come in May.
We are not differing, please see my points, a and b, above.

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It also makes little sense IMO to use the legislation as an excuse, as some have done. It is the council, not the Mayor, which is sovereign in terms of municipal bylaws, rules of order, etc. They could throw the sorry bastard out of their meetings. They could at least adopt a friggin' motion demanding that he resign. They have done absolutely nothing.
They have called for him to resign, as it is, I personally think it was not strong enough of an action. Having said that, they could NOT legally have him removed from chambers, they would themselves be then working outside of the law, to do so. So I would say, that the use of "no legislation" is not an excuse, it is a reality they have to contend with.

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This shows that citizens have lost faith in the system,
Well, there is that, but again I must re-iterate, the other citizens of BC have no recourse in the Scott Young case, we can yell and scream all we want, but that is all we can do, other than working towards getting legistlation in place that would prevent this from occuring, time and again it appears.

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It will have to be restored. The only way to do that is to have a fight and win some victory, however small. But not fighting is like not buying a lottery ticket.

I have to say people in the rest of BC, outside of the lower mainland, pretty much perceive this lack of legistlation, to be the least of their worries, and things they want to action.

Personally, I believe it is appalling and speak out about it consistently to others, and I wrote letters demanding Gordo's resignation, and legistlation to formalize elected official's removal if convicted of a criminal offense.


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You're right, remind, you and I are on the same wavelength here. As opposed to some others in this thread - but that's what makes a world, I guess. Good luck with continuing this fight. It's bigger than just the Scott Young issue. The oldest form of oppression of one human being by another is that based on sex, and it sometimes seems that it may be the last one to bite the dust.
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quote:
Originally posted by unionist:
If anyone wishes to understand the public attitude I have been referring to since last year in this thread, please read the previous post.

And if I owned a house - like some complacent residents of your province clearly do - I might follow your advice.


What is this supposed to mean? I think it's pretty clear from news reports that most people in Port Coquitlam think he should resign and leave. Why do you think you can call people "complacent" if they are unwilling to put aside everything else in order to join your proposed Operation Outcry? It wasn't just councillors who asked him to step down, ordinary people came to council meetings and asked that same question, "Will you resign". His answer was "No".

What would have happened in Montreal in similar circumstances? Has there been a similar case there? What does the Quebec municipal statute provide for, and do councils in Quebec have the authority to vote one of their members out of office, and does that include the Mayor? If so, could they abuse that power by using it to get rid of a councillor or Mayor whose policies they disliked?


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ETA: I have now found a request by the Council to Young that he leave office, here, after he pleaded guilty in May. It is so polite it hurts. And it ends by wishing him well in his rehab.


I just took a look at your link. It's to the website of Greg Moore, a Port Coquitlam Councillor who is now running for Mayor and who was the BC Liberal candidate in the 2005 provincial general election. If you browse the "Testimonital" (sic) section you'll see that the top endorsement comes from local Tory MP, now federal Cabinet Minister, James Moore. There's another tab for a PoCo Pride Blog which has nothing to do with LGBT issues.

As for the resolution itself, I think it's fine. It puts all the issues, including the particular issues of violence towards women and alcoholism being no excuse for violence, into its text. It's worded in a polite and respectful tone as one would wish such an official document to be, just as any trade unionist would expect a dismissal or threat of dismissal letter to an employee to be worded if an employee had behaved as Scott Young did.

And that raises another question. Clearly actions such as those of Young are grounds for losing a position in politics. But what about a government employee, a police officer or firefighter, a school teacher or nurse or receptionist in a government bureau or public library? Should they be fired if they behaved similarly?

ETA: And what about employees in private industry? If someone working in mining or construction, or for that matter as a hairdresser or computer programmer, behaved as Young did, would their employer be justified in firing them on the grounds that they have tarnished the company's image?

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Why do you think you can call people "complacent" if they are unwilling to put aside everything else in order to join your proposed Operation Outcry?

Actually, my reference was to progressive people that own homes and make excuses for inaction.

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What would have happened in Montreal in similar circumstances?

It wouldn't have happened here.

First, our judges aren't quite as cynical as yours:

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The conditional sentence puts Mr. Young under a curfew from 8 p.m. to 6 a.m., except two Mondays each month, when he can be out until 10 p.m. for city council meetings.

Is that hilarious or tragic? Take your pick.

Secondly, any self-important shithead like Young who assaulted women in Montréal would be faced by daily pickets wherever he showed his filthy little head. He would not be the recipient of polite requests to reflect upon stepping aside. Laws would be amended in the street.


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I wrote letters demanding Gordo's resignation, and legistlation to formalize elected official's removal if convicted of a criminal offense.

Do you also write a letter to Tim Stevenson asking him to resign and if not why not?

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Laws would be amended in the street.


I see. This is beginning to sound like your warm welcome for Sen Obama.

It's nice to see you believe in democracy and the rule of law.


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Originally posted by unionist:
[QBWhat kind of province is this? QB]

Please don't judge us by our worst specimens.

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It's nice to see you believe in democracy and the rule of law.

You should visit the street some time. Or a workplace, or an educational institution, or a women's shelter, or a community where not everyone owns their own home. This is where the majority actually gets heard and changes are made. It's called the cunning of history. It's also called democracy.


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Do you also write a letter to Tim Stevenson asking him to resign and if not why not?

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Tim Stevenson was for most part of his provincial career a back bencher MLA, who served a minor cabinet role near the end of the BC NDP government. Who was pulled over afer having a few beers, a few blocks from his apartment. Gordo was the PREMEIER of British Columbia, swearving around the street of Hawaii pissed drunk, whose "sorry for what I did', was a drunken smerk in a Maui jail.

You seem to have some sort of fetish in comparing the two of them.

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ETA: spelling error

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Double post

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triple post, for crying in the mud!

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Who was pulled over afer having a few beers, a few blocks from his apartment. Gordo was the PREMEIER of British Columbia, swearving around the street of Hawaii pissed drunk, whose "sorry for what I did', was a drunken smerk in a Maui jail.

Remind - stated that the Premier should have resigned because of his actions and criminal record - all I am asking is why shouldn't Tim be forced to endure the same or are NDP'ers to be treated differently than Liberals. Getting behind the wheel of a car after a drink is WRONG and it shouldn't matter who you are - Tim was also able to drive for almost a full year until his case came before the courts at which time the public finally found out about his charges.

I walk along Davie street almost daily and would like to think that it is safe from some politician
driving down it after drinking in one of the pubs in Davie village.


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At the time of the Tim Stevenson issue, I was not participating in politics, or I would have written letters to the NDP, or even gone to a meeting about it.

Gordo was/is the Premier, unlike former honourable Premiers who were facing criminal charges, or investigation, he refused to do the correct thing. And we are faced with correctly scathing repercussions such as unionists!

Apparently you are all too willing to let Gordo off, as such I will refer all future scathing comments to yourself, as the one upholding Gordo's actions.

etd to correct Tim's last name

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[QUOTE]are NDP'ers to be treated differently than Liberals.

Generally speaking, only to those who have a conscious.


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Tim Peterson issue,

I don't remember that situation and just because you weren't involved in politics when Tim whatisname committed his offense you were unable to write a letter or email one to the local press.

Tim will be running again for council here in Vancouver in November - if you could vote in that election would you vote for him.

Why do you assume that I was willing to let Gordo off - I am not a member of the Liberal Party and I didn't vote for him but the people in his riding did re-elect him in 2005 just as I expect Tim to get re-elected in November. Ever here of forgiveness - Svend asked for it and it was accepted my most people but them he's an NDP'er so that is okay.


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quote:
Originally posted by Politics101:
I don't remember that situation and just because you weren't involved in politics when Tim whatisname committed his offense you were unable to write a letter or email one to the local press.
Though this sentence is hard to comprehend what you are getting at, I am assuming you were trying to write, that just because I wasn't involved with politics at the time, I still could've written a letter. So i will answer from that position.
No, I could not have, as I wasn't even watching/liastening/reading the news, local, or otherwise, either, and did not find out about until much later, like perhaps last year, or the year before.

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Tim will be running again for council here in Vancouver in November - if you could vote in that election would you vote for him.
No point in answering this as it is purely asking for empty speculation.

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Why do you assume that I was willing to let Gordo off...Ever here of forgiveness - Svend asked for it and it was accepted my most people but them he's an NDP'er so that is okay.

Well you just answered your own question imagine that.


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I forgave Glen Clark but only because his wife had been through more than enough.

I offered to forgive Gordo too - for one of those coffee mugs with his mugshot - but I never received an answer.


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[qb]I forgave Glen Clark but only because his wife had been through more than enough.

qb]


Glen Clark never did anything wrong.

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Originally posted by Politics101:

Svend asked for it and it was accepted my most people but them he's an NDP'er so that is okay.


The voters of Vancouver-Centre apparently disagreed.


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quote:
Originally posted by Politics101:

I walk along Davie street almost daily
.



Enjoy the fireworks tonight.


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quote:
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You should visit the street some time. Or a workplace, or an educational institution, or a women's shelter, or a community where not everyone owns their own home. This is where the majority actually gets heard and changes are made. It's called the cunning of history. It's also called democracy.


Visit the street? Do you mean drive to the supermarket? I guess not.

This is where the majority is heard. What? Above the traffic and horns?

The cunning of history. What on earth are you talking about.

ETA: With reference to one or two other posts, are you saying that there's never been a Montreal Mayor or Councillor or School Trustee in trouble with the law? None with alcohol or domestic violence problems? Never?

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Originally posted by Treetop:

Glen Clark never did anything wrong.



I know. But some think he was very bad because the reporters said so. And his poll standings went down, so that just confirms it. That this is in fact perfectly circular reasoning (if every reporter in town says your bad, you'll soon be unpopular no matter what your real record is) seems to escape a lot of people.


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I know. But some think he was very bad because the reporters said so. And his poll standings went down, so that just confirms it. That this is in fact perfectly circular reasoning (if every reporter in town says your bad, you'll soon be unpopular no matter what your real record is) seems to escape a lot of people.



That's the bullshit we've grown to enjoy.

Dave Basi? Who's he?


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As long as Gordon Campbell and the likes of Bill Good and friends continue to play golf on the weekends, this province will continue to be "the best place on earth".

The Sun did endorse the BC NDP in '91. I guess it will take jailed politicians to change the media status quo.


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quote:
Originally posted by Treetop:

Glen Clark never did anything wrong.

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Who knows,who cares. Glen Clark was guilty of being an arrogant yapper and, rightly or wrongly, was taken down because of it.

This guy pissed away taxpayers' money on boondoggles in spite of sensible advice. He personally reinforced the sentiment in the words of WAC Bennett that "the NDP couldn't run a hot dog stand".

If one does not to become the object of a media feeding frenzy, don't start one.


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ETA: With reference to one or two other posts, are you saying that there's never been a Montreal Mayor or Councillor or School Trustee in trouble with the law? None with alcohol or domestic violence problems? Never?

There has never been a Montreal Mayor or Councillor School Trustee that remained in office after being convicted of beating women. We have higher moral standards than you do.


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remained in office after being convicted of beating women.

What about those with a impaired conviction?

Is there legislation on the books in Montreal or Quebec that requires someone convicted to step down and if so are they allowed to run in a future election.


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What about those with a impaired conviction?

How should I know?

Anyway, I have a hard time comparing a drunk driving conviction in a jurisdiction (Hawaii) where it's just a misdemeanour, with a criminal conviction of a low-life scumbag who stalked and assaulted a woman, and likely was planning far worse from the account of the rope he was carrying.

Also, I'm not talking about "legislation". I'm talking about people getting together and bodily throwing this bastard of a "Mayor" out of office - picketing his house - posting his filthy mug everywhere as a warning to decent folk - demanding that their councillors resign in protest if they really can't do anything to undermine and sabotage this scum.

You know, the kind of stuff that makes MCunningBC nervous. Be creative, for God's sake.

Let's start now:

If you spot this man while driving, offer him a lift - out of town:

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The Young case, the Stevenson case and for that fact the Gordo Maui Owie case all point out that when it comes to personal accountability in life and actions of leaders in today's society, that the standard set is being held incredibly low.

Let's be honest here. Take away the gender aspect for a minute here. Fact is if it was Joe Schmo instead of Mayor Young, the sentence would have been harsher. Same in the Stevenson case and most definitely same with the Campbell case.

Campbell's excellent snowjob, crocidile tears and bs during his televised news conference, aided and abetted by an all too willing fawning media, led people to debate about forgiving the man for a legal transgression while allegedly on vacation.

Funny that Clark didn't receive the same consideration (never asking for it aside). And at the end of the day, the allegations made against Clark were found to be wanting and he was cleared of any wrongdoing!!!! Was Gordo not convicted of a criminal offense in Maui. Did he not plead no contest to the charge which is tantamount to a conviction?

What really pisses people off is the rampant hypocrisy of politics in BC today. Campbell skates on the "I was on vacation, please forgive me" line, while Clark was and is pilloried for something it was found he didn't do. Those who forgave Campbell frankly had the wool pulled over their eyes. He never asked for your forgiveness in reality. He just banked on enforced amnesia, and won.

With regards to Young and Stevenson... no they shouldn't have been allowed to continue to represent their respective areas. The new "excuses for drinking and driving" commercials put out by ICBC and Counterattack bring Stevenson to mind. What both should have done is step down immediately, taken some course of action to admit their problems and deal with them, then if all went well and they were up to it, then put your name forward again.

Instead, they followed Campbell's lead, and played the "it was an honest mistake, it was only one or 2, I was thiis close to home." cards to attempt to explain away their criminal behaviour.

Bad judgement is bad judgement. And in a normal political spectrum, that's a death knell on one's career. Campbell started it and the other 2 have proven it, bad judgement is NO impediment to governing the province or city you live in. And not only that, criminal behaviour will be treated with a slap on the wrist for elected officials in BC while Joe and June Sixpack have to face the full weight of the judicial system in the same circumstances.

That's whats got me pissed.


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Was Gordo not convicted of a criminal offense in Maui. Did he not plead no contest to the charge which is tantamount to a conviction?

As I said above, it wasn't a criminal offence in Hawaii, just a misdemeanour.


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Originally posted by jester:
Who knows,who cares. Glen Clark was guilty of being an arrogant yapper and, rightly or wrongly, was taken down because of it.

This guy pissed away taxpayers' money on boondoggles in spite of sensible advice. He personally reinforced the sentiment in the words of WAC Bennett that "the NDP couldn't run a hot dog stand".

If one does not to become the object of a media feeding frenzy, don't start one.



If this is the same level of accuracy you bring to your oil/gas analyses, I think we can just skip those.

Isn't just a bit odd that you're still peddling the line that Clark wasted money when the Trade and Convention Centre is vastly over budget? Had that facility been built when Clark wanted to it could have been completed before the boom in China drove up construction costs.

If there were any truth at all to the tired caricature you're peddling, how do you explain his success as an executive in the Pattison Group?


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There has never been a Montreal Mayor or Councillor School Trustee that remained in office after being convicted of beating women. We have higher moral standards than you do.



Can you perhaps recall any recent cases. Did the person step down, or were they removed? If so, how were they removed?

Does the Quebec statute on local government allow a majority of councillors to vote on their members off the council? Does that include the Mayor?


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As I said above, it wasn't a criminal offence in Hawaii, just a misdemeanour.


Time to update the information base. It was a criminal offence in Hawaii, but in American jargon they call it a misdeanor as opposed to a felony, meaning a smaller offence. The exact cutoff line between the two I don't really know, but it was a criminal matter and he was held in jail.


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Can you perhaps recall any recent cases. Did the person step down, or were they removed? If so, how were they removed?

Well, I do recall that Camillien Houde was removed as Mayor of Montréal on August 5, 1940 for preaching defiance of registration for military service. He was interned for four years, and later re-elected. I'm not aware if he assaulted any women, however. If he did, he should have rotted in prison.

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Does the Quebec statute on local government allow a majority of councillors to vote on their members off the council? Does that include the Mayor?

I have no clue. Who cares? This thread is about a bastard in Port Coquitlam and the apparent inability of the councillors or citizens to throw his sorry ass out.

If the councillors can't keep him out of the meetings, why don't they resign en masse? Do they care, beyond "urging" him to "quit"? What are the constituents saying?


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quote:
Originally posted by unionist:
I have no clue. Who cares? ...


Agreed.

You cannot think of any contemporary or recent cases in Montreal where a local councillor or Mayor was involved in a domestic violence situation. Instead, you recall a case in the 1940s where Houde was jailed by the provincial government. So in fact you have no idea what would happen in Montreal in a similar case because you cannot think of any.

The council urged him to resign and he refused. Citizens have appeared in front of council and asked him if he will quit, and he has refused. But since that wasn't enough to get the desired result, you want everyone to join hands and take it to the streets.

Name one single case where this has ever happened in Montreal. And do you not think that this kind of thing, large numbers of people gathering in front of a person's home to denounce them could be open to abuse, to false charges by opponents, or to smears by right wing media outlets?


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Unionist:

I guess I would question what standard we should hold our leaders to in our society. Whether a crime is a misdemeanour or an indictable offense (felony in the ol' US of A lingo), it is still criminal behaviour and an exhibition of poor judgement and thought about the safety and well being of others.

I remember so vividly so many people riding to Gordo's rescue that "he was on vacation" when this incident occurred. Its nice to know that our morals and values can be summarily forgotten while we are out of the office or off work "on vacation."

Frankly, Scott Young needs help IMHO. And he should have stepped aside temporarily while under indictment, then when convicted, stood down permanently. He's been repeatedly asked to do just that and hasn't.

As I have previously stated, there is nothing in the BC statutes to cover the removal of a duly elected official convicted of a crime, no matter the severity of it. In BC as in the rest of Canada, we used to count on the honour and ethics of individuals to do the right thing in that position and resign or step aside.

Campbell's ethical vacation (still on going many years later I might add) set the new LOW standard on how low you can go and still hold your job. I don't believe any province has in its laws, the ability to remove politicians from office, unless they are jailed for the term remaining.

Scott Young would do the community a favour by resigning, but I sense that thats not going to happen. If the premier didn't resign when caught doing the Maui Owie, and embarrassing himself and the province as a whole, why would Young resign. It would be the right and honorable thing to do. One would call into question those 2 qualities with this ongoing farce.


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quote:
Originally posted by keglerdave:
Scott Young would do the community a favour by resigning, but I sense that thats not going to happen.

Not much point now, civic elections are less than four months away. Saturday, November 15, 2008 across BC, and in Port Coquitlam.

Somehow I doubt Scott Young will be a candidate.


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Scott was a no show for tonight's council meeting - there was a small protest party at City Hall - council is now adjourned for the summer so the next council meeting isn't till sometime in September.
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quote:
Originally posted by MCunningBC:

Not much point now, civic elections are less than four months away. Saturday, November 15, 2008 across BC, and in Port Coquitlam.

Somehow I doubt Scott Young will be a candidate.


Wrong:

quote:
Scott Young isn't hoping to be re-elected as Port Coquitlam's mayor, but he's hopeful he can get a seat on city council when his term runs out next month.

Mr. Young is among the 24 candidates hoping for one of six available seats at the council table.



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He has no shame, does he?
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His rationale for running for council is totally mind blowing, whatever it is. He's a sick individual who may or may not be getting help in addressing his problems. Being in the public spotlight isn't helping himself or the community as a whole. The one question he's not asking is "what's this really all about?"

Is it about doing what's in the best interests of the City of Port Coquitlam?

Is it perhaps a "going out in a blaze of glory.. kamikaze style." attempt?

Or is it the man himself going out of his way to complete his own self destruction in total self denial of everything that has gone on with and around him?


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quote:
Originally posted by keglerdave:
He's a sick individual who may or may not be getting help in addressing his problems.

Unless you have medical evidence of some illness, all we know on the official record is that he is a woman-beater, harasser, convicted criminal, and piece of shit.

We also know he has superhuman powers that make it utterly impossible for any level of government or any popular movement in B.C. to throw him out of public life and into the nearest recycling facility.

ETA:

PICKET THIS CREEP'S HOME!

[ 18 October 2008: Message edited by: unionist ]


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Hey Blame Campbell for that one!! About not being able to deal with it. He's the one (Campbell that is) that decided we didn't need a fall sitting of the Legislature.

Scott Young is sick. It's blatantly obvious by his behaviour during and after this incident. No right thinking person, with the amount of negative publicity he has received would even think of running for anything this civic election. I'd be surprised if he got 100 votes for city council. Mind you, Unionist, this is BC and things are whacky than hell out here.


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I don't think that there could be a more clear expression of outrage than no one voting for him. I think he should be allowed to run though.
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