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American system stands as an opposition to dictatorships that are so common in many other parts of the world; hence it was and is a beacon of hope and freedom for many. venus_man

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The thread had been closed for its length. I however cannot let such crap go unchalledged.

Egypt, Morroco, Tunisia, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Yemen (to name a few) are all dictatorships. Guess who is supporting these regimes, training their police forces, supplying them with the latest gadgets and teaching them the latest torture techniques in order to maintain them in power, in order to prevent "regime change" from dictatorships to democracies? The USA.

"American system stands as an opposition to dictatorships that are so common in many other parts of the world." Get the f*** off the potty and turn off that Fox channel that is filling your head with the shit you are downloading !!

[ 16 August 2006: Message edited by: sidra ]

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Are you a Hiz-h agent, for they usually speak with such an meaningless angry “passion”?

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Apparently Hizbollah has cornered the market on "passion"?

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it is a country where tens of millions of immigrants from all over the world come for freedom in a broadest sense of the word and hardly anybody leaves that country to immigrate somewhere else.

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Once again Venus, you continually display that you have no clue Who would guess that the nations that consume 80% of the worlds resources amoungst it's 20% of the worlds population would have nearly nobody leaving? Of course none of the consumers want to leave to move to one of the nations they exploit.

In February of 1991, the IRA launched a mortar attack in the heart of London, targetted at 10 Downing St. One hit and shattered a tree just outside No. 10; two others landed at the neighbouring address, also a govt. building. If the British responded to this mortal peril the way Olmert responded to the capture of IDF soldiers, Dublin would have been flattened.

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It is not really for you to judge what is false or true.

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WHen you put up posts on this board that have no grounding in reality, then I feel I should point that out ^^

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You clearly show disrespect for people of America and Canada by calling all of us a mere mindless consumers who exploit others.

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Not all... Most are mere mindless consumers, but there are those that try to make a change (the more that wake up and realize what their ignorance is causing, the better). Go find your ecofootprint and see what this world would require for everyone to live like we do. Whether you accept it or not, we (we representing Europe and North America mainly) make up ~ 20% of the worlds population and we consume 80% of the current resources produced. If pointing out statistics is disrespectful, so be it... But I get the feeling it's pointing out how invalid your statements are that you find disrespectful.

[ 17 August 2006: Message edited by: Noise ]

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USA is a democracy as oppose to Iran -venus_man

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Iran was a democracy and guess who engineered the overthrow of its democratically- elected, secular (Mosadek) government in 1953 ?

Com'on, venus_man, make an effort !! Just one guess !

You speak of minorities. Those same minorities are rushing to N. America in search of freedoms and better life. Minorities have much better treatment in the US then in their countries of origins and even the EU. Plus I believe that N. American system gives you all opportunities to work on yourself and become whoever you want without much interference and interruption. You may grow up in the ghetto and become a senator or a movie star etc. Hence it al comes down to the individual, as long as military or dictatorial fears are not in your way.

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Israel that is a democratic state where Arabs, Sufis, Christians, Jews, Russians, Ethiopians live in a democracy with equal opportunities to growth and prosperity

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“Israeli Arabs are full citizens of the State of Israel, with equal protection under the law, and full rights of due process. Unlike Jewish citizens, they cannot be drafted into the Israeli army, but they may serve voluntarily. There are currently twelve Israeli Arabs sitting as members of the 17th Knesset out of a total of 120 seats, and there is one Arab judge, Justice Salim Jubran, sitting in the Supreme Court of Israel. Ariel Sharon's 2001 cabinet included one Israeli Arab minister, Salah Tarif, and in March 2005, Oscar Abu Razaq was appointed Director General of the Ministry of Interior. Arabic is one of Israel's official languages.”
"...In July 2006, the Israeli Government decided to brand all Arab communities in the country as 'class A' development areas, thus making them eligible for tax benefits. This decision aims to encourage investments in the Arab sector"

[ 18 August 2006: Message edited by: venus_man ]

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Originally posted by venus_man:
But please don’t say-ah poor Iran it was used by the USA. Bull. They have their own brains and as I’ve mentioned it is all too complicated and speculative for us to know exactly what and how things were happening...

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Since you like Wikipedia:

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On 4 April 1953 CIA director Dulles approved $1 million to be used "in any way that would bring about the fall of Mossadegh". Soon the CIA's Tehran station started to launch a propaganda campaign against Mossadegh. Finally, according to The New York Times, in early June, American and British intelligence officials met again, this time in Beirut, and put the finishing touches on the strategy. Soon afterward, according to his later published accounts, the chief of the CIA's Near East and Africa division, Kermit Roosevelt, Jr. a grandson of Theodore Roosevelt, arrived in Tehran to direct it.

The plot, known as Operation Ajax, centered around convincing Iran's monarch to use his constitutional authority to dismiss Mossadegh from office, as he had attempted some months earlier. But the Shah was uncooperative, and it would take much persuasion and many meetings to successfully execute the plan. Meanwhile, the CIA stepped up its operations. According to Dr. Donald N. Wilber, who was involved in the plot to remove Mossadegh from power, in early August, Iranian CIA operatives pretending to be socialists and nationalists threatened Muslim leaders with "savage punishment if they opposed Mossadegh," thereby giving the impression that Mossadegh was cracking down on dissent, and stirring anti-Mossadegh sentiments within the religious community.

Mossadegh became aware of the plots against him and grew increasingly wary of conspirators acting within his government. He set up a national referendum to dissolve parliament. Some purport that the vote was rigged, with Mossadegh claiming a 99.9 percent victory for the "yes" side. Allegations that Mossadegh was resorting to dictatorial tactics to stay in power were in turn cited by US- and British-supported opposition press as a reason to remove Mossadegh from power. Parliament was suspended indefinitely, and Mossadegh's emergency powers were extended.

Inside Iran, Mossadegh's popularity was eroding as promised reforms failed to materialize [6] and the economy continued to suffer due to heavy British sanctions. The Tudeh Party abandoned its alliance with Mossadegh, as did the conservative clerical factions.

In August 1953 Mossadegh attempted to convince the Shah to leave the country. The Shah refused, and formally dismissed the Prime Minister, in accordance with the foreign intelligence plan.

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