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Hephaestion
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posted 12 June 2005 08:39 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Warsaw Uprising

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More than 2,500 people ignored an order from the mayor of Warsaw and marched through the Polish capital Saturday.

Hundreds of police officers were on hand to keep order, but did not try to stop the march. Some officers joined in the parade to cheers from the marchers

Members of a right wing group got into skirmishes with marchers. At the beginning of the parade the group hurled insults at the marchers. Several rushed through a barricade in an attempt to beat marchers. Others lay down in the street in an effort to stop the parade. They were dragged to the curb by police.

Dozens of youths from a militant group were waiting as the marchers arrived at the Parliament buildings and pelted the crowd with eggs. Police struggled to try to regain order, but were vastly outnumbered.

There were no serious injuries. About a dozen people on both sides were arrested and later released a police spokesperson said.

Many of the marchers carried signs reading "Justice for all". A number of people who joined in the parade were not gay.

"I'm hetero myself, but I quite simply support these people, because they have the right to express themselves as they want," one man told Polish Radio.

At a rally in front of the Parliament building gay rights leaders joined by Deputy Prime Minister Izabela Jaruga-Nowacka and Tomasz Nałęcz, the deputy speaker of Parliament.

“I am here to express my protest against the Mayor’s decision which is a violation of the Polish constitution and of civic rights," said Nalecz to wild cheers. " I am here to show my respect for the Polish tradition of tolerance.”


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A number of people who joined in the parade were not gay. "I'm hetero myself, but I quite simply support these people, because they have the right to express themselves as they want," one man told Polish Radio.

Right ON!!! My only regret is that this didn't happen *before* that homophobic asshat, Karol Wojtyla, croaked.


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lagatta
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posted 12 June 2005 09:21 AM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, that is wonderful news. I hope it means Polish society is finally starting to break free of the clerical stranglehold that is particularly hard on gay people and on women. The Church was seen as a point of resistance after Solidarnosc was first crushed, this placed the most reactionary currents in that movement to the fore (and not those who would say "Workers of the World, Caress!"

The news story also made the BBC and other media.

As for the late Pope, he did have to endure the indignity of a HUGE Gay Pride parade in Rome during Holy Year. The Church tried to block that, but to no avail. But it is more telling yet that gays have the courage - and as you say, it really does take physical courage there - to take to the streets in Poland.

Ratzi may not be a Pole, but I'm sure he is pissed off at such a Church bulwark being eroded by such improper behaviour...


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posted 12 June 2005 12:08 PM      Profile for NDP Newbie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Poles seem to be smartening the fuck up and realising that the Church made a clusterfuck out of pre-Quiet Revolution Quebec and is continuing to turn the Philippines into one.
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lagatta
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posted 12 June 2005 02:41 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
NPDN, you live less than an hour's drive from the Québec border. Poles don't. Most have scarcely heard of Québec, except of course in terms of ice hockey.

The Catholic church is rather more complex; there are places where progressive "base communities soldier on despite the reactionary hierarchy. But Poland isn't one of them - by and large it has a most reactionary and traditionalist church. Radio-Maria is even tinged with anti-semitism.


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Hephaestion
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posted 18 June 2005 06:16 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Bigots organize anti-gay rally

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(Warsaw) Hundreds of people took to the streets of the Polish capital on Saturday to denounce gays and demand tough new laws against homosexuality.

The show of force - called The Normal Parade - was organized by the militant Polish Youth, an offshoot of the ultra conservative Law and Justice Party.

The rally was called in response to last weekend's Pride parade in the city in which several members of Polish Youth were arrested when they tried to break up the march. The parade had been banned by Warsaw mayor Lech Kaczynski but Pride organizers ignored his order.



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Michelle
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posted 18 June 2005 09:43 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Originally posted by NDP Newbie:
Poles seem to be smartening the fuck up and realising that the Church made a clusterfuck out of pre-Quiet Revolution Quebec

Yes, I'm sure most Poles follow Quebec politics very closely, indeed.


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posted 18 June 2005 11:00 PM      Profile for NDP Newbie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:

Yes, I'm sure most Poles follow Quebec politics very closely, indeed.


Fine, I'll use more neutral language: "The inherent moral superiority of the secular state to its theocratic or atheocratic counterparty."


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