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jrootham
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posted 25 August 2007 05:59 AM

In reply to Fidel, from the previous thread.

If you don't know about the Communist assault on the Anarchists you have no business pontificating on the Spanish Civil War.

Yes, Russia would have been the biggest foreign arms supplier to the Republicans. That doesn't justify the attack.

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jeff house
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posted 25 August 2007 07:29 AM

I totally agree with that. Stalin supported the freely elected Socialist government of Spain; that is good.

However, this support was largely directed to the Communist party of Spain and its militia, veen though the Communists were far from a majority within the government.

As time when on, the same sorts of purges began to occur as occurred in the USSR. That is, everyone who deviated even an iota from the Soviet Line was branded an enemy, and shot.

Slowly, the Spanish CP gained ascendency within the revolutionary forces, while, of course, making the revolution seem MUCH less attractive than otherwise might have been the case.

The slaughter of anarchists by the Communists was particularly appalling, but it was not at all an isolated event. Why would anyone believe that Stalin was acting democratically in Spain at the same time he was murdering thousands of members of his own party and others in the USSR?

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BetterRed
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posted 25 August 2007 07:50 AM

All right, I didnt mean that antifascists wouldnt have declared war on Hitler.

Likely they wouldve done that.
But Its true that Franco himself in 1941 - he did declare war on the USSR but only sent one division.

Likewise,Reppublican Spain, devastated by war and distant from the Eastern front, probably couldnt have done much.
Only thing they could do was defend France.

It is tragic how Stalin caused such an internal bloodbath in Spain.
Still, foreign internationalists were highly admired in SU.
Pity such a great cause was lost.

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Stockholm
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posted 25 August 2007 08:17 AM

One thing we know about Stalin is that he would not hesitate to kill any Communists who were not willing to be sycophantic puppets to HIM. In Spain he order Soviet agents to kill anyone on the Republican side who was not a totally subservient Stalinist. This included anarchists, social democrats and even Spanish communists who were independent of Moscow. As a matter of fact there is much evidence that in Stalin's view, it was better for a country to be overrun by fascists than be taken over by communists who wanted to be independent of the Kremlin. In postwar Poland, the first thing Stalin did was order the murder of virtually everyone from the pre-war Polish Communist Party because he wanted to replace them all with his own puppets.

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Lard Tunderin' Jeezus
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posted 25 August 2007 10:02 AM

Actually, that isn't the one thing we know about Stalin. That, like most of these threads, is pure conjecture about his motivations and intent.

The one thing we do know about Stalin is that he's long dead, like the 10 million that were killed or starved to death during his reign.

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Fidel
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posted 25 August 2007 11:38 AM

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Originally posted by Stockholm:
In postwar Poland, the first thing Stalin did was order the murder of virtually everyone from the pre-war Polish Communist Party because he wanted to replace them all with his own puppets.

Is this like your Jewish pogroms in Poland, not during Nazi occupation, but on Stalin's orders ?. One thing we have learned from your posts is not to rely on them for verifiable historical fact.

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