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trippie
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posted 26 March 2007 10:59 PM      Profile for trippie        Edit/Delete Post
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The significance of this episode is not limited to the fact that the democratic rights of a segment of the population have been violated. The deeper implications are revealed if one considers the sequence of events: backwards social elements employing threats of violence demand that the rules governing the right to vote be rewritten; the most prominent provincial political personalities take up their battle-cry; and the organ of the state charged with ensuring that the voting is free and fair falls into line citing fears of violence.

The only conclusion that can be drawn is that within the political establishment there does not exist any substantial constituency committed to the maintenance of traditional, democratic norms.



Its funny but I did not hear anything from the left in Quebec about this...

Read more here...

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2007/mar2007/queb-m26.shtml


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trippie
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posted 26 March 2007 11:05 PM      Profile for trippie        Edit/Delete Post
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The repeated sorties of ADQ leader Mario Dumont against “unreasonable” accommodation, which have played such a large role in the 2007 Quebec elections, are similar attempts to manipulate the popular anger, fear, and anxiety produced by a social and economic crisis that continues to deepen and under conditions where the traditional political establishment is completely deaf and hostile to popular aspirations and interests.

With its traditional parties of government, the Liberals of Charest and the Parti Québécois of André Boisclair, less and less capable of obtaining the support of the population for their shared program of dismantling social programs and reducing taxes on the rich, Québec ruling elite’s views the right-wing populism of Dumont as a useful tool for manipulating social tensions and pushing public debate even further to the right.

This is the reason for the extremely favourable coverage given Dumont by the corporate media. Some sections of the media—the Journal de Montréal and various radio stations—have amplified Dumont’s chauvinist appeals. Others closer to the traditional political establishment have on occasion criticized Dumont for “going too far” in his anti-immigrant tirades, while welcoming his contribution to public debate as a breath of fresh air. And all the while, both sections of the media downplay the radical character of the ADQ’s neo-liberal program.



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ceti
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posted 27 March 2007 07:06 AM      Profile for ceti     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
It's not just backwards, it's racialist in that immigrants need to know their place and assimilate. That article has it bang on.

"Accommodation" has been used all over the world by right wing forces in their denunciation of pluralism and multiculturalism. As such, it is a polite, almost apolitical way to whip up xenophobia and evoke people's basest fears. That it finds echo in Quebec, shows that the same intolerance has reached universal acceptibility and has come to the surface. All parties engaged in it, but the ADQ was its purest expression. Look for them to drive the issue further. It also looks like visible minorities will have to keep a low profile or else face the hostility of newly empowered racists.

Quebec has gone over to the dark side. The path to a Conservative Majority is now wide open, propelled by a reactionary upsurge combined with corporate Canada's defection to the extreme right. Dark times ahead indeed.

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josh
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posted 27 March 2007 07:21 AM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Sounds like Dumont is the Pat Buchanan of the North.
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mary123
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The PQ are a right wing party, don't delude yourself.

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The PQ’s 2007 election campaign

During the current election campaign, the PQ has advanced a right-wing program, attacking the Charest government for not keeping its promise of reducing taxes by a billion dollars in each year of its tenure.

Just like his opponents, the Liberals and the right-wing populist Action Démocratique du Quebec (ADQ), Boisclair supports an ever-greater role for private, for-profit companies in the provision of health care and a reduction in the “size of government,” that is, privatization and the establishment of public-private partnerships to manage public services and public infrastructure.

Boisclair has reiterated that he will not make major changes to the seven-year contracts that the Liberal government imposed by decree on half a million public sector workers in late 2005. Under the Liberals’ decrees, public sector salaries were frozen for 3-1/2 years and will increase in subsequent years less than the rate of inflation. Trade union rights have also been severely restricted so as to permit the government to eliminate jobs and transfer services to private subcontractors.

Since the start of 2007, Boisclair has declared that his party would dedicate itself to “comforting capital.” “Quebec must become that place in the world where capital is most openly welcomed,” Boisclair declared. Several weeks later, in order to further curry favor with big business, the PQ leader pronounced that the era when the unions and PQ were “buddy-buddy” was at an end.

As the election campaign has progressed, the PQ has ever more openly adapted to the chauvinist campaign of the ADQ and the media over the so-called “reasonable accommodation” issue. Putting forward the crude idea that immigrants benefit from great privileges, this campaign has two principal purposes. First, it seeks to turn the attention of workers from the real causes of societal distress and directs them towards scapegoating immigrants. Second, this campaign seeks to use anti-Islamism to justify Canada’s military intervention in Afghanistan and future wars, especially against Iran.

Initially, the PQ rather timidly opposed the most blatant manifestations of anti-Islamic bigotry, like the expulsion of a 12-year-old girl from a soccer match because she was wearing a headscarf.

But by the end of the campaign, Boisclair was putting himself forward as the chief of the intolerance movement, by whipping up opposition to the decision of Quebec’s General Director of Elections (GDE) to permit the estimated fifty women in Quebec who wear the niqab (face-veil) to identify themselves on election day without showing their faces.


http://www.wsws.org/articles/2007/mar2007/cana-m26.shtml


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ceti
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posted 27 March 2007 07:33 AM      Profile for ceti     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
The PQ is less right-wing than the Liberals and ADQ owing to their social democratic roots in the Quebec sovereignty movement and support from labour. However, they tried and failed to match ADQ's xenophobia in this election over the wholly manufactured Muslim women's veil issue. Whether they go left or right after this election is an open question and will determine the fate of the sovereignist movement.

The WSWS site is also very pro-federalist on most issues, so I would take this part with a grain of salt. However, Boisclair's active courting of capital is true, but in retrospect failed to improve the party's old Quiet Revolution image as the party of big government.

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500_Apples
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posted 27 March 2007 07:33 PM      Profile for 500_Apples   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Mary123,

That article was interesting up to and until:

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Second, this campaign seeks to use anti-Islamism to justify Canada’s military intervention in Afghanistan and future wars, especially against Iran.

Quebecers are more deeply unified on their opposition to Afghanistan than they are on opposition to reasonable accomodation.


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trippie
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posted 27 March 2007 08:42 PM      Profile for trippie        Edit/Delete Post
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The WSWS site is also very pro-federalist on most issues

You are highly mistaken.. The WSWS.org promotes an international socialist form of government..They have a tendency towards Trotski analysis....

No were do they promote the federal government over a provincle one....

If anything they would welcome a Soviet style of government.

They support the SEP...

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trippie
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posted 27 March 2007 08:47 PM      Profile for trippie        Edit/Delete Post
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Quebecers are more deeply unified on their opposition to Afghanistan than they are on opposition to reasonable accomodation

The proletariat of Quebec may oppose the Afghan war, but that does not mean the ruling class of Quebec does...

Every one of the bourgeois political parties supported the reactionary attitudes towards the muslims in Quebec... This serves the interests of the ruling class in Canada. As we already know , they are itching to involve us more deeply in the USA militeristic reformation of the globe...


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toddsschneider
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No one has mentioned the make-up of the 2 (count 'em, 2) panelists appointed to the Liberal government's "reasonable accommodation" royal commission, set up to stage-manage the issue.

The government sees no need to add any more members, not even to break a tie.

Who was appointed? Academics Gerard Bouchard (brother of Lucien) and Charles Taylor ... two white, nominally Christian males.


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Stockholm
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Charles Taylor is just about the most respected political philosophers in Canada and ran as an NDP candidate several times in the past.
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toddsschneider
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Originally posted by Stockholm:
Charles Taylor is just about the most respected political philosopher in Canada and ran as an NDP candidate several times in the past.

I do not doubt Taylor's erudition, his intelligence or his pro-social attitudes. I just note that he is hardly disadvantaged or underprivileged, except in the ways that that "anglophones" are in Quebec by legislative fiat. The commission in question bears close scrutiny in its public airings, to see that it helps open up the debate to its widest feasible scope.


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Lord Palmerston
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posted 04 May 2007 09:23 PM      Profile for Lord Palmerston     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by mary123:
The PQ are a right wing party, don't delude yourself.

BTW the WSWS calls the NDP "rightwing" as well!


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posted 05 May 2007 12:16 AM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by Lord Palmerston:

BTW the WSWS calls the NDP "rightwing" as well!


Don't confuse the issue - when we're bashing Quebec, anything goes.


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kingblake
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posted 05 May 2007 07:14 AM      Profile for kingblake     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
What a backwards province...
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toddsschneider
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posted 17 May 2007 04:31 AM      Profile for toddsschneider     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by toddsschneider:

I do not doubt Taylor's erudition, his intelligence or his pro-social attitudes. I just note that he is hardly disadvantaged or underprivileged, except in the ways that that "anglophones" are in Quebec by legislative fiat. The commission in question bears close scrutiny in its public airings, to see that it helps open up the debate to its widest feasible scope.


I have kept an open mind about the commission's makeup and mandate. Too bad one of the commissioners, Gerard (brother of Lucien) Bouchard, can't keep his mouth closed. Before the commission even starts, he gave an interview in which he declared that "sovereignty" is the only solution to reasonable accommodation. Way to keep your personal biases out of it, good sir.:

http://www.voir.ca/actualite/actualite.aspx?iIDArticle=46689


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toddsschneider
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posted 28 May 2007 04:26 AM      Profile for toddsschneider     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
http://www.thestar.com/News/article/218355

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Public tensions have been reasonably fleeting in Toronto – at least to date. A TTC bus driver refuses to allow a veiled Somali woman to use her Metropass. A cab driver with orthodox beliefs exhibits problems dealing with a female passenger. A magazine editor recounts the story of a friend being told by one such taxi driver: "I don't take orders from women."
But for the most part, conflicts have been in Quebec, mostly over girls wearing the hijab headscarf. And, in a supremely bizarre case, the village of Herouxville (pop. 1,500), northeast of Montreal, passed a municipal "code of life" claiming their town wasn't partial to the stoning and/or burning of women and that wearing a veil publicly wouldn't be permitted except on Halloween.

I wasn't in Ontario when these incidents in Toronto happened. What was the reaction from the politicians? Was it along the lines as it was in Quebec, that "we don't approve of such extreme measure, but those people had it coming to them"?


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