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posted 14 October 2005 12:38 PM      Profile for writer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Home can be such a dangerous place for women.

Killed woman 'suffered 60 wounds'
Mrs Hudson's body was found close to Newstead Abbey
A mother-of-two allegedly killed by "the family from hell" was found dead with more than 60 injuries, Nottingham Crown Court has heard.

Man Charged With Double Homicide in Texas
Man Charged With Murdering Pregnant Ex-Girlfriend, 7-Year-Old Son in Texas; Two Bodies Found


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Hephaestion
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posted 14 October 2005 03:34 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 


I am soooooo sick of reading stories like this... And, of course, it's always "bad apples" and "lone nuts" and so on. Gawd forbid we should point out it is the effing culture that we live in! Grrrrr!!!

Between violence against LGBTs and violence against women -- and the ho-hum, 'part-of-the-normal-routine' attitude of the so-called "justice" system -- some days I could just.... I'd best not say, as Anne McClellan's internet stasi might be reading this...

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posted 14 October 2005 03:57 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
And, of course, it's always "bad apples" and "lone nuts" and so on.

Actually the first story is kind of interesting because it's nothing of the sort. A whole family, women included, appear to have taken an active role in the abuse that led to this woman's death. That's a lot more of a 'man bites dog' story than the millions of "usual" stories you're referring to.


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posted 14 October 2005 04:06 PM      Profile for Crippled_Newsie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Jeebus, some stories just make you wonder what in the hell is the matter with people.
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Hephaestion
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posted 14 October 2005 04:13 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Okay, granted, Magoo... but it IS an "exception" to a *very* tiresome trend...
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posted 14 October 2005 04:15 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't know. That first story strikes me as pretty elemental.

We don't hear those stories so much in the West, maybe because they don't often lead to actual murder, but torment of young wives by in-laws is actually a time-honoured tradition in every culture, I believe. We need to know more about the details of this case to know why it happened, but it is fitting a classic pattern.

I honestly can't think of a single case of a bridegroom tortured to death by his wife's family, whereas the sacrificial bride is almost a cliche in most cultures.

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posted 14 October 2005 04:22 PM      Profile for writer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Between violence against LGBTs and violence against women -- and the ho-hum, 'part-of-the-normal-routine' attitude of the so-called "justice" system -- some days I could just...

Heph, I agree completely. I've posted information about this elsewhere, but it's relevant here, too:

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More than 90 percent of women in Ethiopia are victims of domestic violence and believe that such abuse is normal, the United Nations said on Wednesday in a report that found conditions for females in the country among the worst in the world.

More than 90 percent of Ethiopian women beaten


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Studies on violence against women indicate that:
    - The perpetrators of violence against women are almost exclusively men.
    - Physical abuse in intimate relationships is almost always accompanied by severe psychological and verbal abuse. In 1 of 4 cases of domestic violence, women will also experience sexual abuse.
    - Women are at greatest risk of violence from men they know. In Australia, Canada, Israel, South Africa and the United States, 40-70 per cent of female murder victims were killed by their partners.
Many men and women believe wife-beating is justified. The shame associated with domestic violence, rape and other forms of abuse may contribute to the fact that women often suffer it in silence, afraid of repercussions and stigma, and never tell anyone.

UNFPA Violence Against Women Fact Sheet


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posted 14 October 2005 04:25 PM      Profile for jrootham     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Normal isn't the word we should be looking for here. At 90% it is definitely normal. What it is not is justified.
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posted 14 October 2005 04:37 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by skdadl:
I don't know. That first story strikes me as pretty elemental.

We don't hear those stories so much in the West, maybe because they don't often lead to actual murder, but torment of young wives by in-laws is actually a time-honoured tradition in every culture, I believe. We need to know more about the details of this case to know why it happened, but it is fitting a classic pattern.


Mavis Gallant once wrote the introduction to a book called The War Brides, which was reprinted (the introduction, that is) in her collection Paris Notebooks.

There were many reactions in Canada to the so-called "war brides" ("a term some of them detested," Gallant says), including hostility. According to Gallant, a post-war urban (or rural) legend had it that one such bride was so awful she'd been taken out on the lake and drowned by her husband's family. "Everyone knew someone who knew someone who knew where and when it had happened, and how it had been hushed up."


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posted 14 October 2005 04:51 PM      Profile for writer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
More from the UN repot:

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Violence against women has been called "the most pervasive yet least recognized human rights abuse in the world." ...

Gender-based violence also serves – by intention or effect – to perpetuate male power and control. It is sustained by a culture of silence and denial of the seriousness of the health consequences of abuse. In addition to the harm they exact on the individual level, these consequences also exact a social toll and place a heavy and unnecessary burden on health services.

Ending Widespread Violence Against Women

Rape at the end of the world

Gender-Based Violence: A Price Too High


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posted 14 October 2005 05:42 PM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I feel so utterly helpless in dealing with this kind of violence. I really wish that there was something more that I and others could do.
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posted 14 October 2005 05:47 PM      Profile for writer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Partnering with Boys and Men
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Women having abortions much more likely to be abused
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Local boys, men invited to explore, challenge male traits

More than 150 students and about 100 adults are expected to attend the Man to Men conference, which will discuss masculinity and socialization and how it affects interpersonal violence ...

Guest speaker Don McPherson, a former NFL and CFL quarterback and founder and executive director of the Sports Leadership Institute at Adelphi University in Garden City, New York, will be speaking on "Masculinity and Violence: Challenging Ourselves."


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Many women victim of 'gendercide,' study finds

Winkler told a news conference at the United Nations on Thursday that gender-related abortions and infanticides were the leading causes for the shortfall in the female population. Another factor was domestic violence, including so-called honor killings in some cultures.

"We are confronted with the slaughter of Eve, a systematic gendercide of tragic proportions," Winkler wrote in the preface to the study, recently published as a book titled "Women in an Insecure World."


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On average one woman is killed every hour in Russia by a partner, former partner or relative, according to a report released by Amnesty International yesterday.

Pop star gives voice to silent army of battered women



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leechi
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posted 03 January 2006 11:22 PM      Profile for leechi   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have begun recently posting here, and have begun talking about some of my experiences in domestic violence and child abuse.

The thing that saddens me most is this is so familiar. Families targeting a single female family member is nothing new, and in my experiences has been carried out equally by men and women.

I had to stop reading so I wouldn't upset myself.


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posted 04 January 2006 09:17 PM      Profile for Boarsbreath   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
For what it's worth, you can add Vanuatu to Ethiopia's set. Domestic violence is normal here too, in both sense, statistical and moral. Anecdotally, it's damn near universal.

And Vanuatu is considered a peaceful part of Melanesia -- I know many Papua New Guinea women married to Vanuatu men (and living here), who say it's never the other way around because PNG men are so bad.


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posted 05 January 2006 03:35 PM      Profile for nonsuch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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I honestly can't think of a single case of a bridegroom tortured to death by his wife's family, whereas the sacrificial bride is almost a cliche in most cultures.

But is this not - at least partly - because the wife usually moves in with the husband? The bridegroom is far less likely to be alone among the bride's kin.

A boy as the target of his father's, stepfather's, grandfather's, older brother's or uncle's violence is certainly commonplace. And a mother hurting or killing her son is not exactly unheard-of. Old men and women dependent on their children and/or in-laws are abused all the time. There is more to domestic violence than men beating on women. If the culture is violent, any weak, defenceless person can and will be hurt.

Look for a lot more of this - in more fanciful versions - in the wake of the current spewage of horror flicks out of Hollywood. Torture is America's new national pastime.


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"Any day of the week, I could feel that sort of pain. I haven't tried to kill myself, but I've certainly thought about it, and then I feel guilty about thinking about it, because what's so terrible about my life?"

Housewives star reveals sex abuse


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Too many women who are murdered fully expected they would be. They've told friends or family they're scared, and who they're fearful of. They've sought protection from the police or the courts.

But they believed they would be killed anyway, and that there was not a thing they could do about it. Tragically, some 200 of them in Ontario alone over the past 10 years have been right.

Ontario women are less likely than at almost any time in history to be murdered by a stranger. But the annual toll of women killed in domestic "incidents" in Ontario has increased over the past four years. Twenty-four last year ; more than 200 over the past 10 years.

By Robert Howard
The Hamilton Spectator



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In the past two centuries, those in the West have gradually changed the way they treat women. As a result, the West enjoys greater peace and progress. It is my hope that the third world will embark on this effort. Just as we put an end to slavery, we must end the gendercide.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali



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