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Topic: All Hail the Israeli resistance part 7
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unionist
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posted 01 June 2008 10:05 AM
No need to investigate old evictions - it's time to BUILD!!! Israel plans more settler homes quote: The Israeli government has announced plans to build nearly 900 new housing units in a part of East Jerusalem that is considered occupied territory.The contentious move comes amid the ongoing political battle swirling around Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, who is accused of corruption. ... The Palestinian Authority has condemned the news of more settlement building on occupied territory. The Israeli government insists that any final peace deal will see these districts redrawn inside the Israeli border.
I don't understand why these Palestinians whine so much. It's not Israel's fault - it's their new map-drawing software. The Palestinians should complain to Micro$oft.
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posted 02 July 2008 03:33 AM
Israeli human rights group condemns occupiers for depriving Palestinians of water:Grave water shortage in West Bank: B'Tselem quote: Average per capita consumption throughout the West Bank is 66 liters, two-thirds of the minimal amount needed according to the WHO. These figures include water for livestock, meaning that the water consumed for personal use is even less.In comparison, average daily water consumption in Israeli cities is 235 liters, and 214 liters in local councils, 3.5 times higher than Palestinian consumption in the West Bank. ... Israel holds complete control of the water sources shared by Israel and the Palestinians, primarily the Mountain Aquifer, and prohibits by army order any Palestinian drilling of wells without a permit. At the same time, Israel draws from the West Bank, primarily from the Jordan Valley, some 44 mcm, five million more than it supplies to the Palestinian Authority. Israel allocates to Palestinians only 20 percent of the water from the Mountain Aquifer, and prevents the PWA to develop additional water sources to enable greater water supply for Palestinians in the West Bank.
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Milagro
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posted 02 July 2008 07:08 AM
A Palestinian father-of-two has been named as the driver of a bulldozer that careered through Jerusalem today, crushing cars and repeatedly ramming a public bus. Three people were killed, including the mother of a young baby, when Hossam Dawiath commandeered the bulldozer from the construction site in west Jerusalem, where he worked, and careered the wrong way up the busy Jaffa road. Times Online
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posted 07 July 2008 08:07 AM
In the West Bank, Israeli forces have invaded and shut down offices of Tadamun - a Hamas-"linked" charity - as well as a girls' school, a sports club, and a medical centre: quote: Palestinian officials say troops broke doors and overturned cabinets before sealing off the building.Hamas says charitable organisations which it supports provide legitimate social services and have nothing to do with its armed struggle against Israel. BBC Jerusalem correspondent Tim Franks says the Palestinian Authority president Mahmoud Abbas and the Israeli government are concerned about Hamas gaining further support and strength across the West Bank.
BBC News.
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CMOT Dibbler
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posted 12 July 2008 03:46 PM
quote: IF YOU want to understand the policy of a country, look at the map - as Napoleon recommended. Anyone who wants to guess whether Israel and/or the United States are going to attack Iran should look at the map of the Strait of Hormuz between Iran and the Arabian Peninsula.
Why Not? [ 12 July 2008: Message edited by: CMOT Dibbler ]
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CMOT Dibbler
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posted 19 July 2008 05:39 AM
quote: I SPENT the whole day flipping between the Israeli channels and Aljazeera. It was an eerie experience: in a fraction of a second I could switch between two worlds, but all the channels reported on exactly the same occasion. In one section of the breaking news, the events happened at a distance of a few dozen meters from each other, but they could just as well have happened on two different planets.
Different Planets
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N.Beltov
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posted 20 July 2008 11:58 AM
Pappé's remarks are simply outstanding: they bring an icy clarity to the horrors of the occupation and the Zionist ideology behind it, and he has an almost giddy enthusiasm for exposing and disentangling the appalling propaganda used to justify these ongoing crimes. He's particularly brilliant at walloping the calculated conflation of cause and effect that passes for news and reporting and shows how these are typically exchanged for each other. The link from CMOT, for example, has Pappé outlining the key decisions made by the Israeli political elites right at the time of the beginning of the occupation in June 1967. These decisions are in flat contradiction to the narrative of "a debate" between hawks and doves taking place over a number of years after 1967. Firstly, that they could not, as they did in 1948 (an admission that Pappé finds useful in confirming his view that those very same elites knew that what happened in 1948 was a deliberate and diabolical ethnic cleansing) carry out a complete ethnic cleansing; secondly, that both the Gaze Strip and the West Bank were to be viewed as permanent and God-given property of the State of Israel forever; and thirdly, that since these territories were not to be completely ethnically cleansed of Palestinians, (though many thousands were "cleansed", of course) therefore it became necessary to develop the monstrous idea of turning an entire territory into a mega-prison (a gift to the world of Zionist ideology, says Pappé). Pappé points out, however, that British law was critical in helping the Israelis on how to run human mega-prisons of that size. British law was, for example, the source for the technique of demolishing houses. For house to house demolition. For shooting without warning and for arrest without trial. All of these were used in 1936-39 by the British against Palestinian resistance and the Israeli elites were excellent students of the British. How Pappé ends his remarks in the 30 minute video is not simply an outstanding historian elaborating the facts as he understands them. No, in the best tradition of scientists who refuse to adopt an evil social neutrality about that which they are expert on, Pappé challenges all of his listeners out of the slumber of indifference ... quote: Ilan Pappé: Everyone is an accomplice in this crime - from the British Government and the American administration in 1967 to the British Government of 2008 and the American administration in 2008. But because we are talking about two democracies, I'm not sure it is only the political elites which are accomplices in the crimes. It is also the people who vote them in and vote them out and do not make the distiction between their policies in Palestine and elsewhere and who don't understand the connection between these policies and allow these politicians to be elected again and again ... and the Palestinians are paying the price. So I hope that we can, at least, highlight what has now become a known secret, that is the Israeli direct ... how does the Zionist idelogy produce the policies of the mega-prison of Palestine and how we are all accomplices unless we do our best to demolish the prison walls and liberate the people of Palestine.
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N.Beltov
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posted 24 July 2008 05:25 PM
I think Pappé, at least in the clip I watched, made reference to a fake debate, between "hawks" and "doves", in which some people (some of the "doves") were more serious about the "debate" than others, whose result was irrelevant to "the facts on the ground" in any case. But it was a useful "exercise" giving, as it did, the appearance of vigorous discussion and debate prior to what was a "reasoned" decision about the occupation. This sort of thing happens in Canada. Gigantic reports, sometimes called Royal Commissions, are produced in which vigorous "debates" are outlined. The Reports then take their place, alongside numerous other, similar reports, as a means of collecting dust. First Nations people in Canada are very familiar with such "debates", and their results, over the years. [ 24 July 2008: Message edited by: N.Beltov ]
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CMOT Dibbler
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posted 28 July 2008 03:53 PM
quote: NEW YORK - Right at the door, before extending his one hand (the left) in greeting, Albie Sachs sternly informs me that he has no more than one hour for the interview. That's understandable: The man is 73, a justice on his country's highest court, he has authored four fascinating and beautifully written autobiographies, as well as a number of texts about law and society (including one on sexism and British law) - and now, as he hastens to point out, he's busy writing two more books, simultaneously. At this moment, he's probably thinking to himself: "Oy, oy, oy. Why did I ever consent to be interviewed?"
The constant battle of Albie Sachs
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CMOT Dibbler
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posted 02 August 2008 04:48 PM
quote: EHUD OLMERT'S resignation speech reached us on our way back from a demonstration. We were protesting the death of Ahmad Moussa, aged 10, who was murdered during a demonstration against the Separation Fence at Na'ilin village - the fence that robs the village of most of its land in order to give it to the nearby settlement. A soldier aimed and shot the child with live ammunition at close range.
Hollow Time [ 02 August 2008: Message edited by: CMOT Dibbler ]
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CMOT Dibbler
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posted 09 August 2008 01:25 PM
quote: OH DEAR, what has happened to the knight on the white horse? This week, many of Barack Obama's admirers were shocked. Up to now, it had been believed that the huge sums of money flowing into the coffers of his campaign came from anonymous citizens, each sending a check for 100 or 200 dollars. Now, alas, it has been disclosed that a large part of those millions actually came from big donors - the very same huge corporations, their CEOs and lobbyists, who have corrupted the democratic process in previous contests. They spread their largesse generously and simultaneously among all the candidates from left to right, so as to be on the winning side whatever happens.
A Knight on a Gray Horse
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M. Spector
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posted 11 August 2008 04:39 PM
quote: Powerful forces have tried to erase the crime against the Palestinians from the world's public memory. But the Palestinian people have survived, and their resistance continues, with the sympathy of peoples around the world. The truth about the crime against the Palestinians cannot be silenced. The Zionists misuse the memory of the holocaust to breed and justify new wars in the Middle East. This is a crime against the memory of my family and other Jewish victims under Hitler. The Zionists act with strong support from the United States, which has its own criminal reasons to see the Palestinians defeated. The Zionists want their exclusively Jewish state, and they want it to expand and dominate the region. The United States, with Ottawa's support, wants the oil and other resources; it wants to control all of the Middle East. That's why they conduct war in Iraq and Afghanistan and are menacing Iran. To be against the government of Israel is not anti-Semitic. We must stand up for justice and for humanity. We oppose the system of Zionism that oppresses one people — the Palestinians — and endangers another — the Israeli Jews — while condemning them to the hatred of the world. If the crime against the Palestinians prevails, it would mean that Hitler's spirit had triumphed. To be true to the memory of the victims of the Jewish Holocaust and of all Hitler's victims, we must defend the Palestinians. We must join their resistance struggle to win back their homeland. We can do this here in Canada.
The Siege of Gaza: Israel Uses Hitler’s Methods Against Palestinians
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posted 12 August 2008 08:32 PM
May the name, the work, and the struggle of Mahmoud Darwish always inspire the people's movement for freedom from occupation, aggression, apartheid, and war: quote: The West Bank city of Ramallah is expected to come to a standstill for the funeral of poet and author Mahmoud Darwish who has died at the age of 67.Tens of thousands of Palestinians are due to attend commemorations for one of the most influential cultural figures in recent Arab history. It is due to be the biggest funeral in the West Bank since that of Yasser Arafat in 2004.
More... [ 12 August 2008: Message edited by: unionist ]
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posted 31 August 2008 08:43 AM
From The Devils' Hoof: quote: WITH ALL due respect and friendship for Nusseibeh, I believe that this tactic of his is unwise. Very unwise.In his eyes, and in the eyes of some intellectuals on both sides, there are only two possibilities: the "Two-State Solution" or the "One-State Solution". A Palestinian state alongside Israel or a bi-national State, where equality between all the citizens, Jews and Arabs, is assured. That is a dangerous misconception. The "One-State Solution" is an oxymoron, a contradiction in terms. The One-State idea is not a solution, but an anti-solution. It is a recipe for an ongoing bloody conflict. Not a dream, but a nightmare. There is no chance at all that the Jewish public will agree, in this generation or the next, to live as a minority in a state dominated by an Arab majority. 99.99% of the Jewish population will fight against this tooth and nail.
Perhaps the Jewish public should leave the 19th century and look around. When France and Germany, the two countries the most responsible for our current ideas about ethnic nationalism, can move toward accepting multiculturalism, what's keeping the self-professed "light unto nations" from doing so?
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CMOT Dibbler
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posted 31 August 2008 02:44 PM
quote: When France and Germany, the two countries the most responsible for our current ideas about ethnic nationalism, can move toward accepting multiculturalism, what's keeping the self-professed "light unto nations" from doing so?
American politicians say the same sorts of things about the arab nations and Iran. It also has to be said that Israel for all it pretends to be European(in much the same way that Lebanon does) it is not France or Germany. [ 31 August 2008: Message edited by: CMOT Dibbler ]
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CMOT Dibbler
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posted 01 September 2008 11:29 AM
quote: That isn't what I asked. My question is more like, "Is this the best they can come up with; don't they have any better ideas?"
It would appear so. But then again, we are outsiders looking at the Israeli political system from afar, so there may be all kinds of one staters in Israel that we know nothing about, since our view Israel is to often shaped by people in the U.S., Canada and Israel who are desperate to make a one state solution seem politically impossible. Jeff Halper is not a Zionist and believes in one state(although he's wary of Bi national states.) and Cueball has said that he does not think Avnery is a zionist. [ 01 September 2008: Message edited by: CMOT Dibbler ]
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CMOT Dibbler
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posted 07 September 2008 12:06 PM
quote: To rightwing fellow Israelis, Abie Nathan, who has died aged 81, was a figure of fun, or, worse, a traitor. Nathan did seem an unlikely warrior for peace in the Middle East, but he invariably had the last laugh. When, in 1968, he mooted the idea for an offshore pirate radio station that would spread regional goodwill, sceptics predicted that it would sink, metaphorically if not literally. Instead, the Voice of Peace blasted out pop, political commentaries and celebrity interviews for 21 years.
More on Mr. Nathan
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posted 22 September 2008 08:12 PM
Troops hurt in Jerusalem attack quote: About a dozen soldiers have been wounded in an apparent attack in central Jerusalem, Israeli police say.They say a man drove his car into the group at a busy intersection, before being shot and killed. Police said the driver was a Palestinian and described the incident as a "terror attack".
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posted 24 September 2008 09:46 PM
Seems the Israeli military murdered the 19-year-old for having a traffic accident. Nervous? Scared? Target practice?Jerusalem crash 'not deliberate' quote: Relatives of a Palestinian who was shot dead after his car ploughed into a group of Israelis at a bus stop have denied it was a deliberate attack.Nineteen people, mostly soldiers, were treated for light or moderate wounds in the incident in central Jerusalem. Off duty soldiers shot the 19-year-old driver, in what Israeli police have said was an attack. "My son was murdered, they killed him. He did not carry out a terrorist attack" said the driver's father. "This was a car accident. The car stopped after hitting a wall. Why did they kill him?" Mahmoud Mughrabi said at his home in Israeli-occupied East Jerusalem.
Of course, the family may just be lying in a selfish attempt to save their house from being blown up: quote: Commenting on the latest incident, Defence Minister Ehud Barak said Israel must expedite the legal process leading to demolition of Palestinian attackers' homes."We need to take legal action in order to drastically expedite the process, so we can take action shortly after an attack happens and deter any future potential terrorists," he said.
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martin dufresne
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posted 25 September 2008 01:42 PM
Global/Canwest joins Barrick Gold, Branco and Rogers Communication in attempts to silence political critique through SLAPP lawsuits and other rough stuff. Here is something from BC's workingtv.com:A look at the campaign in B.C. Supreme Court by Canwest Media, Canada's largest media conglomerate, to bully three Vancouver activists who disagree with Canwest's pro-Israel media bias. Adrienne Wong, from seriouslyfreespeech.ca explains it all on Youtube [ 25 September 2008: Message edited by: martin dufresne ]
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