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But here they have a way of appearing to seek the black vote, losing it, and getting their white backlash, all without any fingerprints showing. The more President Clinton begs black voters to back his wife, and the more they spurn her, the more the election becomes about race -- and Obama ultimately loses.

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Bullshit. The message here is, if blacks vote for one candidate above another, then they have, in effect, started a white backlash.

[ 23 January 2008: Message edited by: The Wizard of Socialism ]

[ 23 January 2008: Message edited by: martin dufresne ]

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Originally posted by martin dufresne:
Calling a woman who shows strength 'inhuman' is misogyny.

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The same thing can be said of plenty of "programmed" male candidates who methodically, in a very Machiavellian way, approach a political campaign. Bill C is a grand master of that approach. Nixon is another great example.

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The same thing can be said

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Originally posted by martin dufresne:
It rarely is, because it doesn't have the same effect.

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Riiiiiiiight.

Bill Clinton has never been attacked with extremely vicious critiques and caricatures.

Uh-huh.

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Originally posted by Scott Piatkowski:
Argh! It is not acceptable to talk about tearing the flesh off politicians, crushing their heads, or blowing them up. If it is, then I'm on the wrong discussion board.

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Do you think the Wiz was writing that literally???

On another point - since I am not holding my breath waiting for some people to acknowledge their bias -, Dowd is really grasping at straws. Ten days ago, pundits were pratically fighting for the shovel to bury Hillary Clinton's chances just before New Hampshire. Now she is calling Bill Clinton a liar for mentioning that Hillary beat the odds in that primary.

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"He rewrote the facts, saying that “no one thought she could win” in New Hampshire, even though she originally had had a substantial lead.

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Ok. I'm up on the cross again. So be it. Throw your stones people. I can take it. Just remember, I'm up here for YOUR sins!

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[ 23 January 2008: Message edited by: Frustrated Mess ]

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Calling a woman who shows strength 'inhuman' is misogyny.

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Oh come on Martin. Seriously, stop trying to outdo the feminists here and do not dictate to me what is or is not sexist mkay? I don't see Hilary as inhuman because she is showing 'strength'. I see her as inhuman because she supports war, takes money from lobbyists and talks out of both sides of her mouth. Like most politicians.

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He said moderators had been alerted, and I got nothing. Absolutely
BUPKIS! I'm going to open a big can of pout.

Anyway, I just see it as using as a simile, a fairly compelling bit of
imagry from an otherwise ho-hum movie to make his point that Hillary is a
robot, and a very fixated one at that. Someone who hasn't seen the movie
might make be understandably taken aback I suppose. Reminds me a bit of
the scene from the Star Trek movie (I forget which one) where the Borg
Queen is similarly reduced to her component parts.

I'm ok with it.

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Michelle pretty much concurred.

I don't care what movies you've seen or what you think of Hillary Clinton. Advocating violence against a politician that you don't like should not be allowed here.

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Originally posted by Scott Piatkowski:
Advocating violence against a politician that you don't like should not be allowed here.

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Do you seriously think the Wiz was "advocating" violent against Hillary?

I could say, "You could strip the skin off of GBW's chest and inside you wouldn't find a beating heart but a cold stone."

The point of this thread was simply to look at the Machiavellian way in which the Clintons (not just Bill but...(gasp)...Hillary, too!!) approach politics.

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Originally posted by Frustrated Mess:
I think the Wiz supports Clinton. I could be wrong, but I think likening her to the terminator, to the Wiz, is a compliment.

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That is how I read it, like the violent version of the energizer bunny.

Nothing misogynistic about his using such a simile that I can see. Nor did I see it as enciting such acts as depicted in the simile.

Politics is not a vapid venue for those with delicate sensibilities. It is a bloodied arena. And I think the simile was accurate.

Edited as per God's english class.

[ 23 January 2008: Message edited by: remind ]

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Hillary Clinton is like the Terminator

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"like"

Technically, I'm pretty sure that makes it a simile rather than a metaphor.

But Bill had at least a touch of the other kind of politician, the visionary. Not necessarily that he had a "vision", but in the sense that somehow he could embody other people's visions. She can run things, probably very well. He could inspire others to run things.

Barack is pure visionary, in that sense, I suspect. You could support Hillary. But you wouldn't support Barack, you'd believe in him, which is also leadership but a very different kind of leadership.

Yes, kinda like PET, although the apt comparison is JFK (or RFK). It's not always better (and in non-democratic systems it's a menace), but there's a good argument that visionary leadership is what the dear old Excited States needs. (George Packer puts the case in the New Yorker, here: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/01/28/080128fa_fact_packer )

link to follow....here:
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/DickMorrisandEileenMcGann/20 08/01/23/theres_a_method_to_crafty_bills_madness

In the days before Iowa and leading up to New Hampshire, Hillary was the prime topic of political discussion.

She took shots for misusing Bill's record and trying to adopt it as her own, for minimizing King's contribution to civil rights, for crying, for attacking her opponents, and for changing her campaign style to become more likeable.

Now, she rarely gets hit anymore. They're hitting Bill instead.

Like a red cape, he is attracting the attention of the bull so his wife the matador escapes unharmed.

The other method behind his madness is that Bill wants to suck up all the oxygen in the room and dominate the coverage of the Democratic contest. By doing so, he cuts Obama out of the news, pushes him off the front page, and usurps the headlines...

[ 24 January 2008: Message edited by: Geneva ]

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Originally posted by rural - Francesca:
if we desensitize ourselves to violent imagery, imagery becomes reality

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"The thousand whips and scorns that flesh is heir to . . ."