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audra trower williams
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posted 05 April 2005 01:01 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
After reading this awesome article by former nun Joanna Manning, who wrote Is the Pope Catholic?, I decided that I was going to compile and share some information regarding the Vatican and the international ramifications (for non-Catholics and Catholics alike) of their United Nations recognition.

Here we go!

* Vatican City, is the official residence of the Pope and headquarters of the Roman Catholic Church. It is just over 100 acres big and and 766 people live there.

* These inhabitants do not acquire Vatican citizenship by birth as in every other country, but by their position in the Catholic church.

* As an independent state, the Vatican has United Nations status. The official title of that status is: "Non-Member States Maintaining Permanent Observer Missions at UN Headquarters".

* This designation gives it some of the privileges of a state, such as being able to speak and vote at UN conferences.

* No other religion is recognized as a state in the United Nations.

* Vatican City has no female citizens, or citizens who are children.

* The government of the Holy See is not elected nor is it held accountable for its actions.

* The Vatican has used its "statehood" to seek immunity in two lawsuits. Once in 2000, when charged with laundering Nazi gold and other assets. And another just last month, when a class action suit of more than 240 victims of clergy sex abuse.

* Pope John Paul II called the 1994 UN Conference on Population and Development "the work of the devil"

* The Vatican led opposition to providing contraception and abortion for women following the mass rapes in Bosnia and Kosovo.

* The Vatican fought to exclude forced pregnancy from a proposed list of war crimes.

* The Vatican also led a campaign to cut off funding to UNICEF because it distributes emergency contraception to teenage girls in war zones.

* At the 1995 Beijing Women's Conference, the Vatican delegation held up proceedings for days over the use of the word "gender."

* The Vatican has refused to sign the UN Convention to Eliminate Discrimination Against Women because it reserves the right to discriminate against Catholic women.

* In 1996, a Catholic church in Honduras, prevented the distribution of one million condoms by health and election officials at polling stations during an election. Honduras has the highest incidence of AIDS in Central America.

* In 1996, in Nairobi, Kenya, where the AIDS epidemic is exploding among young women, Cardinal Maurice Otunga, Kenya's leading Roman Catholic church official, burned boxes of condoms and safe sexual literature.

* In Zambia the Catholic Church opposed a measure to allow unmarried pregnant girls to continue their education.

* The Vatican has consistently sought to omit references to condoms from U.N. policy documents.

* The Roman Catholic Church supports more than 300,000 health facilities worldwide and has made it if any or U.N. agency attempts to force those facilities to to offer contraception services, they will shut down these facilities.

* AIDS has killed 22 million people in the last 20 years.


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Cougyr
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posted 05 April 2005 01:27 PM      Profile for Cougyr     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Organized religion is an oxymoron. Religion is personal. Religious organizations are about political power. And most religious power is wielded by old men with old ideas. Tyrants.
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Boom Boom
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posted 05 April 2005 01:37 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"Organized religion is an oxymoron. Religion is personal. Religious organizations are about political power. And most religious power is wielded by old men with old ideas. Tyrants."

Most of them wear funny hats, too.


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Mr. Magoo
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posted 05 April 2005 02:04 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Religion is personal.

If it were, I'd have not a single complaint with it. Not one.

But, sadly, the religiosos who think the world stops spinning when they're "forced" to watch a man kiss another man on television (on a show they never watch) seem to believe that their deity expects of them nay, demands of them! that they'll harrass and hector and annoy the rest of us with their 'special relationship with Christ' until we just want to spud out our own eardrums with a chopstick.

How can we make it personal, under penalty of law??


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Reality. Bites.
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posted 05 April 2005 04:48 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Magoo:

How can we make it personal, under penalty of law??

'Cause if Magoo can't get his quota of manlove on the tube, he's gonna have to go looking for it, and I'm sure none of us want that to happen.


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Mr. Magoo
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posted 05 April 2005 04:51 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hey, I'd watch the 24 hour a day ManLovin' channel or NOT watch the 24 hour a day ManLovin' channel if it would make religion go back inside of people's heads where it belongs. That, not some pseudo-groundbreaking gay peck, is what I really want.
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N.Beltov
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posted 05 April 2005 05:02 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Cougyr: Organized religion is an oxymoron. Religion is personal.

I've got no gripe with a denunciation of a religious institution like the Catholic Church. But your brush is too broad. There's religion and then there's religion.

For many people, it is precisely the shared activities, e.g., shared worship, the musical aspects of a religious service, etc., that they value the most in their "spiritual" lives. You've gotta do that in an organized way, even if the experience is uniquely individual.

OK. Go back to pounding the Catholics. I gotta admit I wuz kinda enjoying it. [evil grin]


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Panama Jack
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posted 07 April 2005 12:33 AM      Profile for Panama Jack     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
RE: "Keeping religion in one's head" -- can progressives really have it both ways ?

Tommy Douglas thought both homosexuality AND the poverty stricken plight of working people as "sins"...

Should religiously inspired folks shut up about their commitment to fighting poverty ?


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Raos
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posted 07 April 2005 01:42 AM      Profile for Raos     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
they're "forced" to watch a man kiss another man on television (on a show they never watch)

That's hardly true. I'm sure a fairly large number of them watch just for the sole purpose of witness such things, with the intent of getting outraged and red faced over it.


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Hephaestion
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posted 07 April 2005 03:26 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Panama Jack:
Tommy Douglas thought both homosexuality AND the poverty stricken plight of working people as "sins"...

Not true. Please be accurate, at least. TC thought homosexuality was an illness, not a sin, an attitude that was at least more advanced than many held at the time (late '60s). Of course, he was quite wrong, but as with his earlier belief in eugenics, he demonstrated that he would abandon mistaken points of view as he learned more facts.

I am quite sure that if he were alive today, Tommy would be at the forefront of civil rights for gays and lesbians, not still stuck in the 1950s like Steven Harper and his band of troglodytes.


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