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Topic: The race to the bottom hits the white collar set
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josh
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posted 07 January 2004 11:55 AM
Three columns in the last two days take note of how the outsourcing of job from North American no longer is just affecting blue collar workers. White collar jobs are now being shipped to countries like India, where they can be performed for much less cost. "The question today is whether the case for free trade made two centuries ago is undermined by the changes now evident in the modern global economy.
Two recent examples illustrate this concern. Over the next three years, a major New York securities firm plans to replace its team of 800 American software engineers, who each earns about $150,000 per year, with an equally competent team in India earning an average of only $20,000. Second, within five years the number of radiologists in this country is expected to decline significantly because M.R.I. data can be sent over the Internet to Asian radiologists capable of diagnosing the problem at a small fraction of the cost."" http://nytimes.com/2004/01/06/opinion/06SCHU.html "In fact, companies in a number of unexpected industries are now sending work overseas. From scientific lab analysis to medical billing, the service-sector workforce has gone global.
CPA firms are just one example. In the 2002 tax year, accounting firms sent some 25,000 tax returns to be completed by accountants in India. This year, that number is expected to quadruple. The reason lies in the numbers; accountants in the United States typically earn $4,000 a month. In places like India it's closer to $400, says David Wyle, CEO and founder of SurePrep, a tax-outsourcing firm based in southern California that's employed more than 200 accountants in Bombay and Ahmedabad, India." http://makeashorterlink.com/?U3C226AF6 "Morgan Stanley's chief economist, Stephen Roach, has coined the phrase "labour arbitrage" to describe what's going on.
Another way of saying that is that white-collar workers in North America and in Britain (so far it's almost entirely an Anglo-Saxon phenomenon) have been turned into pawns to be moved about to suit the convenience — the profits — of corporate kings and queens. These pawns, though, are made of flesh and blood rather than of plastic or wood. So expect them to fight back." http://tinyurl.com/2yjh9
From: the twilight zone between the U.S. and Canada | Registered: Aug 2002
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lagatta
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posted 07 January 2004 12:16 PM
The key to this as an English-speaking phenom (so far) lies in "the jewel in the crown", conquering and to a large extent anglicising the huge, ancient civilisation that is India and the rest of South Asia. Though there are educated French-speaking professionals in poor countries, there are few (except perhaps in North Africa) with adequate infrastructures. And I can't think of any in the case of German speakers. I read a lot about this while overseas, in the Guardian, Independent, etc. There are training centres in India where call centre and other employees (including health care secretarial staff) learn to acquire the accents and mannerisms of specific parts of the UK, and have to watch UK TV to learn the latest footie shores, East-Enders episodes, etc. Such jobs attract a much better educated and "well-mannered" staff in India than they would in Britain.
From: Se non ora, quando? | Registered: Apr 2002
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Michelle
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posted 07 January 2004 12:34 PM
The people I noticed were people paid $150,000 a year. As for admin assistants, call centre operators, and low-paying office work - I wouldn't call that "white collar" jobs. In fact, I don't know if it's in vogue to call them this now, but they used to be known as "pink collar" jobs, because it was low-paid office work mostly dominated by women. And we've been seeing our jobs go downhill for years. The big news here is that the high-paying jobs, the ones where folks are earning in the six-digits and higher five-digits for salaries, such as engineers and technologists - THEY'RE the new ones to be feeling the bite. And while I know there are people in white collar professions who support progressive politics, it's no secret that the old boys' club is alive and well in most corporations, and that the Republicans get their support from big business types. So I will stand by what I said, even though it is a generalization.
From: I've got a fever, and the only prescription is more cowbell. | Registered: May 2001
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robbie_dee
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posted 07 January 2004 01:42 PM
I think you and I might have read the same article, DTR.U.S. business students find opportunity is global (Boston Globe 11.4.2003) quote: HANOVER, N.H. -- From where Diane Noyes is sitting, in a modest college cafe near the campus of the Tuck School of Business at Dartmouth College, outsourcing is not a threat.She's thought about it, studied it as a member of Tuck's class of 2004, but instead sees the business trend that is sending thousands of American jobs overseas as a mixture of opportunity and necessity, both for her and the US economy. "Outsourcing may actually work to the advantage of American-trained business students," Noyes, 29, said. "Management is something that developing nations will probably outsource to us." Bart Cornelissen, a fellow member of Tuck's class of 2004, agreed. "If you look at it from just a US perspective, or a regional perspective, outsourcing can be daunting," he said. "But from our perspective, it's more like a shifting that moves in both directions. "There's actually a lot of opportunity hidden in there," he said. As American companies embrace the outsourcing of jobs and operations, causing widespread concern among employees and suppliers, one group is resolutely focused on the flip side of the trend: business school students and their professors. They are eagerly exploring the "hidden opportunities" that may exist in the midst of this global economic upheaval. And the way these students are thinking about outsourcing, as they start their careers in business, could foreshadow the long-term consequences of this restructuring of the American work force, and an indication of who is likely to win and lose as more jobs and functions move to developing countries.
The managerial class, and its future members-in-training currently studying at ivy league business schools, benefit from global "labour arbitrage" because they get to be the arbitrageurs. Tech workers, by contrast, while highly paid, still ultimately fulfil the position of 'laborer' rather than 'manager' in the production process. Their high wages were a premium on the scarcity of their skill, and as soon as possible, the managers find a way to ameliorate that scarcity and ratchet down the tech workers' wages to the level that the rest of the peons have to scrape by at. While both tech workers and elite managers may have historically leaned 'right' or voted Republican, they did so for different reasons. For the tech workers it was because of a false consciousness evoked by their temporarily elevated incomes (as well as, perhaps, exposure to a macho culture and Randian ideology prevalent in their fields). For the elite managers, political alignment with the neoliberal free-traders was, and continues to be, entirely rational and in accordance with their class-interest. [ 07 January 2004: Message edited by: robbie_dee ]
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Stephen Gordon
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posted 07 January 2004 06:40 PM
There seems to be some sort of disconnect here. When manufacturing jobs are moved to developing countries, babblers are outraged. When tech jobs are moved, there's grim satisfaction. Why? Here's another economist's point of view
[Edited to change 'questions' to 'countries'. Don't ask me how I mixed up those words.] [ 07 January 2004: Message edited by: Oliver Cromwell ]
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radiorahim
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posted 08 January 2004 02:22 AM
quote: Was it a bad thing when call centres started to move to Moncton?
The thing is that business seeks to maximize profits by lowering their labour costs without any concern whatsoever about the social dislocation it causes. When dealing with the Canadian market, its necessary to have bilingual English/French call centres and the cheapest place to setup shop at present is New Brunswick. The US and UK markets are for the most part "English-only" and so they can move call centre work to India or in some cases to the Caribbean. If there's a low-wage English/French third world country with a communications infrastructure in place I'm sure we'll see the New Brunswick call centres move elsewhere. If there were adequate labour adjustment policies in place such as severance pay, early retirements, adequate unemployment insurance compensation, access to income supported retraining opportunities and...future job prospects then I'm sure folks wouldn't worry too much about work being outsourced to the third world. But...that ain't anywhere near the case. So yeah...folks are getting pissed off.
quote: I think there's a bit of Schadenfreude given that often the people being outsourced held onto aggressive anti-labour viewpoints and were not historically a fertile field for organizing, and held onto excessive optimism that bit them. I too am in that industry, but I am (hopefully) escaping the private sector.
True. Folks who made say over $75,000 a year had a tendency to "identify" themselves with Republicans or Conservatives because they figured that the system was serving them quite well...and why rock the boat? But now that the system has thrown them on the scrap heap just like millions of assembly line workers they're beginning to realize that they're just like everybody else. All I can say is "welcome to the fight folks". Lou Dobbs from CNN's "Moneyline" ... hardly a lefty did a whole series called "Exporting America" which dealt with the massive job loss going on in the U.S. ... including white collar job loss. On one of the programmes I saw, he dealt with Sprint moving a call centre from Buffalo, NY to India with hundreds of job losses. If you do a googlesearch on "Exporting America" you'll find some links to streaming video archives of some of the TV programmes. And if the anger over job loss in the U.S. hangs around till November, Dubya's days could be numbered.
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