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Topic: Canadian Productivity is Decreasing
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prince
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posted 23 September 2001 08:14 AM
Canadians enjoy the best quality of life in the world, something we know as individuals and the rest of the world has come to recognize in the annual United Nations rankings.But we are slipping from this position because our productivity is slipping. Improved productivity can improve our standard of living, and our quality of life. So what can we as individuals do to improve our productivity? The process being promoted is for us to build a "Global Knowledge Based Economy". Be innovative, improve our skills, adopt the latest technologies, improve our productivity, and look for opportunities on a global basis. Our focus is too concentrated on the U.S. We need to nave a more global outlook. We need to improve our image globally especially in the perceptions of innovation and performance. The key to growing in the knowledge based economy is by using the Internet. We are in the midst of an information revolution not an evolution. We need to develop our E-commerce potential. Canada's standard of living is stagnant. To improve our standard of living we need to improve our productivity. We need to commercialize our knowledge. How do we do this?
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DrConway
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posted 23 September 2001 11:41 AM
The USA productivity growth rates are outpacing ours thanks to some bogus statistics which overstate the importance of computerization. Their economic growth rates were faster than ours solely because of a more relaxed monetary policy.And if you don't believe me about the statistics, read this. The exact extract follows: quote: Ordinary The New Era of productivity growth was already starting to fray around the edges when two hijacked airplanes plowed into the twin towers last week. Benchmark revisions in July lowered real gross domestic product growth for the 1998-2000 period. With output reduced, output per hour worked -- a.k.a. productivity -- was revised down as well. Looking at the productivity growth rates on an industrial production peak-to-peak basis for various business cycles, what's remarkable is how unremarkable the 2 percent annualized rate from the third quarter of 1990 to the third quarter of 2000 was, according to Paul Kasriel, director of economic research at the Northern Trust Corporation in Chicago. While better than the 1979 to 1990 cycle's 1.3 percent annualized rate, productivity growth in the most recent period matched that of the 1973 to 1979 period and fell well short of the 2.7 percent annualized rate from 1959 to 1969 and the 2.4 percent rate during the 20-year peak-to-peak period from 1959 to 1979, Kasriel says.
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From: You shall not side with the great against the powerless. | Registered: May 2001
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DrConway
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posted 23 September 2001 12:03 PM
Oh yes. I love pulling this one out.DECADE - ECONOMIC GROWTH RATE (USA statistics - GDP growth in percent per year) 1950s - 4.0% per year 1960s - 4.4% per year 1970s - 3.0% per year 1980s - 2.8% per year 1990s - 3.2% per year 1990 - 1995 was a lousy stinking 1.8% per year. The only reason the 1990s come in better than the 1980s is because of the explosion in the late 1990s when growth rates ramped up to >4% per year. Unsustainable, given a long-term post-1973 growth rate average of around 2.5% per year. The two sole factors in heightened noninflationary growth rates were: Looser monetary policy than anywhere else (Canada's central bank, as is the ECB's/Germany's, is very orthodox-monetarist) A fortuitous coincidence of economic weakness in most other parts of the world, thus fuelling the US dynamo by driving US dollars sent abroad right back into US stock and bond markets, which in turn "leaked" into the real economy... a virtuous cycle for a time.The US trade deficit meant dollars would buy goods from abroad at cheap prices which would be sent back to the USA in the form of asset purchases some of which would leak out into the real economy, which meant more dollars would go abroad which... ad nauseam. (Up to a point, and we've seen that point reached, I think, with the stagnant stock market since mid-2000) Orthodox trade theory says that the US dollar should have devalued sometime in the 1990s in order to cause trade to move back into balance. Yet the USA did not stop, and yet the USA's dollar continued to stay high and asset purchases continued. [ September 23, 2001: Message edited by: DrConway ]
From: You shall not side with the great against the powerless. | Registered: May 2001
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clockwork
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posted 25 September 2001 01:27 AM
The human development index (HDI) is based on three indicators, longevity (as measured by life expectancy at birth), educational attainment (as measured by a combination of the adult literacy rate and combined gross primary, secondary and post-secondary enrolment and standard of living (as measured by Gross Domestic Product per capita). The UN says HDI is "a very imperfect measure" and the agency underlines that HDI is only a "partial" measure of the full scope of human development. (from a website) I would add that it may be slanted to those at the bottom of the socioeconomic scale, but our country is a community. If we were all rich, there wouldn’t be a problem, we wouldn’t get worried about “standard of living.” These are out of date, but show your point. (I assume they are accurate, I have a tough time finding stats like this on the net) (argh, the HTML is screwing the graph...) Purchasing (% of US) Power 1991 1970 1991 United States $22,204 -- -- Germany 19,500 75% 88 Canada 19,178 72 86 Japan 19,107 57 86 Denmark 17,621 71 79 Norway 16,904 54 76 Sweden 16,729 77 75 Netherlands 16,530 72 74 Finland 15,997 58 72 So, you say that our purchasing power is now back to 1970 levels, or GDP per capita? Anyway, as my economics teacher explained, the marginal utility of the first dollar is much greater than the marginal utility of the last dollar. I haven’t been convinced that money is the end all, be all of living standards. Obviously, you can tell I attach much more meaning to this term than is generally accepted. While looking for some stats, I found [URL= this from the Bank of Canada on Exchange rates, the dollar and standard of living. Any armchair economists might like to read this. Here is the abstract: quote: This article examines the recent proposition that the decline in Canada's standard of living relative to that of the United States is causally related to the decline in our exchange rate. The authors explore the main channels through which the exchange rate and the standard of living could be related—productivity and the terms of trade—focusing mainly on productivity. They conclude that the decline in world commodity prices and weak demand for domestic output were affecting both Canada's standard of living and the exchange rate and that the flexible exchange rate regime itself did not play an independent role.
In other words, I think, the declining dollar is not a contributing factor to a sliding standard of living... I read the doc but I'm googley eyed right now.[ September 25, 2001: Message edited by: clockwork ]
From: Pokaroo! | Registered: May 2001
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R. J. Dunnill
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posted 25 September 2001 03:20 AM
If our country is a community, what about the 50% of the population in the middle? So many of these reports and indexes seem to focus almost exclusively on the 25% at the bottom. The figures you supplied are for 1991 - a lot has changed since then. Canadian incomes stagnated, taxes increased, the Canadian dollar lost a quarter of its value, while U.S. incomes rose sharply. As for the Bank of Canada piece on exchange rates, if they think a 63-cent dollar doesn't affect the standard of living, they're living in a dream world. Amongst other things, it hurts productivity by giving Canadian firms an "edge" in labor costs (by means of a wage cut for their employees), and by making imported equipment needed for productivity growth more expensive. In other words, in the U.S., machines are cheaper than people, while the situation is the opposite, or at least becoming so, in Canada. BTW that difference in exchange shows up virtually everywhere where consumer goods are concerned, even when those goods are made in Canada. One good example: a couple of months ago, I was pricing out Canadian-made Chryslers at a B.C. dealership - $C 45,000. In the U.S., the same model was US 29,000. Money isn't everything, as you say, but without it, life can become quite miserable, or worse (as the unfortunate Kimberly Rogers could attest). Cheers, RD
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DrConway
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posted 25 September 2001 03:45 AM
quote: BTW that difference in exchange shows up virtually everywhere where consumer goods are concerned, even when those goods are made in Canada. One good example: a couple of months ago, I was pricing out Canadian-made Chryslers at a B.C. dealership - $C 45,000. In the U.S., the same model was US 29,000.
$29,000 normalized at today's average exchange rate of $1.55 Cdn = $1 US gives a price in Canadian dollars of $44950. So after factoring in currency differences, something like 99% of the number differential disappears *blip* like that. And BTW, international chains that exist in the USA and Canada have the exact same numerical prices for their menus - eg. an "All-American Slam" in Canada costs, I think, $7.79 Cdn here and $7.79 US there. So in effect we pay less to eat out. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
From: You shall not side with the great against the powerless. | Registered: May 2001
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clockwork
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posted 25 September 2001 03:43 PM
RJ: quote: The authors conclude that exogenous forces – notably the decline in the world prices of commodities and the weak demand for domestic output – were affecting both Canada’s standard of living and the exchange rate and that the flexible exchange rate regime itself did not play an independent role in the relative decline in Canada’s standard of living.
The paper questioned whether the falling dollar was a cause of a decline in standard of living and asked whether or not a fixed rate regime would have halted this side. The paper concludes that a fixed dollar didn’t matter. The sliding dollar was a symptom of other problems, and thus not to be blamed. The weak domestic demand comment perplexes me a bit: does that mean simply what we buy, or what we make and sell everywhere? Apparently I’m right about the strict GDP per capita measure of living standard quote: In this article, only the conventional real income- or expenditure- based definition of standard of living is used, instead of broader definitions that would include other economic and non-economic factors (eg wealth, pollution, and income inequality).
While I can’t comment on the focus of indexes like HDI, I don’t see a problem with giving more weight to the 25% on the bottom. It’s part of considering income inequality. I remember hearing the story about Henry Ford, and how he found that he was producing more cars than could be sold so he decided to jack up the wages of his own employees (but that could be a myth). Or, to go theoretical, is 99 poverty stricken surfs with one immensely wealthy landlord a better society than one where the landlord is just “rich” and his serfs are a bit more well off. Under the GDP per capita measure, the standard of living could be the same under each instance. That’s my grasp of the situation. And I think the “wealth” references might have been about net worth. I think, and I’d have to look this up, that Americans may have more purchasing power, but are way more indebted in comparison to Canada and other industrialized countries. (Could interest be deducted from purchasing power??) I think DrC has mentioned how much credit fuels the economy… But, again, I’m no economist.
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Victor Von Mediaboy
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posted 25 September 2001 03:49 PM
quote: Canada's standard of living is stagnant. To improve our standard of living we need to improve our productivity. We need to commercialize our knowledge. How do we do this?
More gov't spending on education. Greater recognition of foreign education credentials. Make it easier for labour to move between provinces. Convince young people to vote in greater numbers, since they are what will drive Canada's future productivity. [ September 25, 2001: Message edited by: Kneel before MediaBoy ]
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DrConway
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posted 26 September 2001 01:32 PM
Canada has the largest resource-extraction sector as a percentage of its economy in relation to other G7 nations.As well, I note that manufacturing in Canada has "hollowed out" just as it has in the USA. This directly impacts productivity since manufacturing tends to be higher-productivity than primary industries or the service sector. Finally, the Strategis site hints at, but then ignores, a very real effect of monetary policy on lower GDP growth rates, lower productivity growth rates and lower real GDP per capita growth rates. Alan Greenspan, since he took office, has in general pursued a looser monetary policy than in Canada, and this is borne out by average inflation rates that are about a percentage point higher through the 1990s. As a result, unemployment fell more than in Canada, and ironically this would have directly caused firms (at still modest interest rates relative to Canada's) to invest more in productivity-enhancing methods. By contrast, our monetary policy is conducted, with official blessing, solely in the interest of inflation control, which weakens the economy and forces unemployment up. High unemployment tends to depress wages and while Strategis may claim that unemployment accounts for a smaller portion of the productivity gap, I submit that they're missing the boat on this one. Why? Because high unemployment is starting to lower the capital-to-labor ratio which is fairly unusual for an advanced country like Canada. Again, I remind us all that Canada's unemployment rate had not dropped below 7% between 1977 and 2000. By contrast, the USA's unemployment rate had fallen to 5% or thereabouts twice in the last 20 years.
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prince
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posted 26 September 2001 06:50 PM
Strategis Productivity questionaireThis is the link to Industry Canada report on Productivity simple quiz (hint multiple correct answers). And a link to the home page. Productivity Home Page
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