babble home
rabble.ca - news for the rest of us
today's active topics


Post New Topic  Post A Reply
FAQ | Forum Home
  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» babble   » current events   » international news and politics   » Building a U.S. left without third-party presidential campaigns

Email this thread to someone!    
Author Topic: Building a U.S. left without third-party presidential campaigns
Ken Burch
rabble-rouser
Babbler # 8346

posted 16 April 2008 10:09 PM      Profile for Ken Burch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The U.S. needs a political space for those the current system leaves out in the cold.

The most frequent approach to creating this space has been to run third-party presidential campaigns.

Although there was an era (pre-New Deal) when this was a useful approach, that day is gone and is not coming back anytime soon.

The Electoral College makes it futile.
The chokehold corporate money has on the process makes it futile.
The unbreakable media blackout of third-party campaigns makes it futile.

In every U.S. presidential election, we always have at least four or five independent left candidates. In the present day, none of them ever achieve anything, none of them gain any measurable support, and none of them succeed anymore at building greater support for their ideas. Universally in the U.S., these campaigns are considered ridiculous.

Ahd the bulk of the Democratic Party electorate, the group that would have to be won over to a third-party campaign, will never make that break as long as the Electoral College remains in place. This is because all of them know that the result of such a break could only mean permanent powerless in the face of people like Bush and Cheney.


There has to be another way.

And it is perfectly possible to be a sincere leftist and seek another way.

For myself, I think the answer lies in a combination of several strategies:

1)Using the initiative process to bring in campaign finance and electoral system reform, such as initiatives(where possible)calling on particular state legislatures to support abolishing the Electoral College. A movement for these goals is an unavoidable precondition to any third-party presidential campaign.

2)Non-party grassroots mobilization to force the existing parties to change the political structure(as worked, when nothing else would have, in the civil rights movement). Such a movement would include LGBT voters, unions, the Rainbow, environmentalists, the antiwar movement, and activists for health care and other progressive issues.

3)Use of new media(YouTube, the Internet, et al)
to push the electoral reform/democratization agenda. This is a low-cost or in some cases no cost method of communication.

4)A non-candidate campaign modeled on the "Other Campaign" led by Mexico's Zapatistas, who toured the country bringing the issues the presidential candidates were ignoring into national attention.

5)The convening of local "Social Forums" comprising all the groups in point 2 to draft more detailed alternative programs, which they would then present to their communities for discussion, in petition campaigns to demonstrate broad support of the alternative programs, and possibly also as a continued series of local initiatives.

These are some components of a workable long-term program of building a larger and broader U.S. left. These have a chance of succeeding. And these do fall into the category, without the wasted effort of third-party presidential campaigns, of independent class-based political action, since they have as their clear goal the building of a large left movement that could force change from below.

A movement is what must be built. The party membership of those in this movement is of secondary importance.

[ 16 April 2008: Message edited by: Ken Burch ]


From: A seedy truckstop on the Information Superhighway | Registered: Feb 2005  |  IP: Logged
ceti
rabble-rouser
Babbler # 7851

posted 17 April 2008 10:10 AM      Profile for ceti     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This has been the question for more than a century. The Socialists under Eugene Debs polled very high as did the Progressive Party, but it's been difficult if not impossible to break through since then. The third party candidates who have made headway have usually been on the right or up the middle.

What to do? Many American Lefists I know have just given up, and thus express their politics through solidarity with movements in other countries. As for the US electoral system, they just hope for the least bad option.


From: various musings before the revolution | Registered: Jan 2005  |  IP: Logged
Ken Burch
rabble-rouser
Babbler # 8346

posted 17 April 2008 11:53 AM      Profile for Ken Burch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This is why an electoral reform movement has to be the next step.

This is a movement(working for abolition or modification of the electoral college, PR for Congressional elections, removing the 435 seat size limit on the U.S. House of Representatives)that can be built from below, without having either to form a new party or without having to be subservient to the existing ones.

You use petitioning, and initiative campaigns that can be placed on state and local ballots.


From: A seedy truckstop on the Information Superhighway | Registered: Feb 2005  |  IP: Logged
Fidel
rabble-rouser
Babbler # 5594

posted 17 April 2008 01:48 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I must admit I'm impressed with the American movement for internet neutrality as an example of democratizing one small but important aspect of the system. It seems many more Americans have made the connection between equal access to communications and democracy than Canadians so far. I think a national debate on American electoral reform would be an exciting thing to have happen.
From: Viva La Revolución | Registered: Apr 2004  |  IP: Logged
jeff house
rabble-rouser
Babbler # 518

posted 17 April 2008 01:58 PM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ken is right that no third party has the slighest chance in US Presidential politics.

(They can have an impact at a more local level, even at the level of the Senate or House of Representatives.)

Thus, when speaking of Presidential politics, you can:

1. Support McCain

2. Support Obama

3. Support Clinton

4. Maintain complete political irrelevance.

The idea that anyone should give up and support third world movements is really pathetic. It's just a flight from reality.

It is almost impossible for Westerners to have a clear idea of what they support when they support a third world liberation movement. Consequently, revolutionary tourists of this sort are usually greatly disappointed.

If not, it is because they don't let reality penetrate their ideological carapace, and so justify everything that happens, then die proclaiming that Socialism is at hand, whether in China, or Russia, or Vietnam, or Bolivia in 1953.


From: toronto | Registered: May 2001  |  IP: Logged
Fidel
rabble-rouser
Babbler # 5594

posted 17 April 2008 02:03 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's a plutocracy, Jeff. That means the vicious empire is run by a handful of superrich people for a handful of superrich people.

And Canada has been run by the same two colonial administrative wings of the same party for the last 140 years in a row. You must try harder.


From: Viva La Revolución | Registered: Apr 2004  |  IP: Logged
jeff house
rabble-rouser
Babbler # 518

posted 17 April 2008 02:10 PM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Obviously wealth is far too concentrated in a few hands in the US and Canada. In your favorite countries, Cuba, etc, POWER is concentrated in far too few hands.

But we are discussing here the dynamics of US Presidential elections.

Perhaps you are saying that, because the US is a "plutocracy", it is fine to just sit things out or join a group which can't elect an alderman in the whole country.

But, as usual, you have no actual programme, other than CAPITALISM BAD, COMMUNISM GOOD.

But you know, the point is to change things, and you have no strategy at all to do that. At least, none that passes the laugh test.


From: toronto | Registered: May 2001  |  IP: Logged
M. Spector
rabble-rouser
Babbler # 8273

posted 17 April 2008 04:03 PM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This kind of mindless, right-wing venom has been directed at the NDP for decades.

"If you don't vote either Liberal or Conservative, you are dooming yourself to political irrelevancy."

"Only communists would vote for someone other than a capitalist party candidate."


From: One millihelen: The amount of beauty required to launch one ship. | Registered: Feb 2005  |  IP: Logged
Fidel
rabble-rouser
Babbler # 5594

posted 17 April 2008 04:05 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The dissolution of the of the USSR was the source of much elation among some of us who claim to occupy the Left. It was finally an opportunity to pull themselves out from under the shadow of "Stalinism." The American Left was supposed to flourish.

But people around the world have since watched helplessly as U.S. politics shifted the center of U.S. politics to the far right. Leftists around the world watched helplessly as NeoLiberal nonsense was forced on Latin America and Eastern European countries with a human toll mounting since the doomed perestroika and failure of capitalist reforms in the FSU, Chile, Argentina, Nicaragua and so on. It was a terrible defeat for workers around the world. What we're observing now are human evils growing stronger which the Communists and their allies held in check for over 70 years in the former Soviet Union.

And the return of unregulated laissez-faire capitalism here will end in yet another crisis of capitalism the likes of which led to previous world wars. All variations of capitalism and its phony democracy are the same car constantly on blocks. It's time to scrap that car and shop for something that does roll.


From: Viva La Revolución | Registered: Apr 2004  |  IP: Logged
Ken Burch
rabble-rouser
Babbler # 8346

posted 17 April 2008 04:27 PM      Profile for Ken Burch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's true that the overthrow of the Stalinist puppet states in Eastern Europe 1989, which was, contrary to Western media myth a great radical democratic people's rebellion with much leftist support, was followed by an even greater betrayal of that rebellion, in which Western finance forced the Eastern European states to impose brutal and reactionary austerity programs. Those programs, despite the contention of some of the more conservative posters here, can't genuinely be said to have been supported by the newly minted voters of those countries, because all the parties contesting those precious "free elections" were committed to backing them(even the "former Communist" parties. No one was allowed the opportunity to vote for democratic socialism.

This has led to support for democracy itself collapsing in many of those countries, as it is now permanently associated in the minds of millions of Eastern Europeans with austerity and misery.

Who knows what will happen next to those tragic and unjustly impoverished nations?

In the end, this still leaves us with the necessity of building a movement that is fully democratic and genuinely socialist(that is, with power held by the workers and the people rather than by a centralized unaccountable vanguard).

There will need to be a new structure for the left, a new way to build socialism.

It will have a lot of characteristics of anarcho-syndicalism, and a significant measure of direct democracy.

And there will have to be a consistent standard of human rights and defense of freedom of expression. The Leninist model failed because, while its social benefits had some attraction(insuffecient as they were) it always created pointlessly militarized and repressive states.
It quickly reached a point, in the West, where it ceased to be possible to make a case to Western workers and voters that they'd be better off under a Leninist system. You couldn't win people over to the cause if you couldn't guarantee that they wouldn't end up living in a police state.

The leaders of the Party in those countries never understood that they'd have made themselves far more secure from "subervision" and "bourgeois devationism" if they'd sent the Red Army home and actually focused on building a humane, nonrepressive socialist model. The CIA, Radio Free Europe, Reagan and the rest wouldn't have been able to lay a glove on them then. No, it wouldn't have been a "socialist paradise", but it would have been clearly and unchallengeably superior to what "The West" had on offer.

They should have trusted the masses. In chosing not to, they forced the masses to stop trusting them.

[ 17 April 2008: Message edited by: Ken Burch ]


From: A seedy truckstop on the Information Superhighway | Registered: Feb 2005  |  IP: Logged

All times are Pacific Time  

Post New Topic  Post A Reply Close Topic    Move Topic    Delete Topic next oldest topic   next newest topic
Hop To:

Contact Us | rabble.ca | Policy Statement

Copyright 2001-2008 rabble.ca