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cdncoldfront
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posted 22 November 2007 06:59 PM      Profile for cdncoldfront        Edit/Delete Post
Jihad is the Koranic codification and justification of desert raiding. Mass media, the UN, certain posters on many boards, and certain former officials of France, among others, would have people believe that the Arabs were thrust into a bellicose role towards the world by Israeli aggression and intransigence. This school of thought blames Muslim-generated strife throughout the world on the "sense of hopelessness" engendered by Israel. This is not close to being true.

Early on, the Hebrews differentiated themselves from their neighbors by being more civilized. G-d stopped child sacrifice among the Jews, leading Abraham to the edge of killing his son, Isaac and then pulling back. The lesson learned by the Hebrews is that we don't do that, even though the surrounding tribes did. One wonders if the "surrounding tribes" have changed much, given their proclivity to send impressionable children as walking bombs onto Israeli buses and into jammed public facilities. And don't forget 911 either in this regard.

An even more striking ancient parallel is found in this story, concerning the Phillistines' wanton and purposeless clogging of water wells drilled by Abraham (link):

quote:
When Isaac planted in that land, he reaped in the same year a hundred times what he had sown, because the LORD blessed him. The man became wealthy. His influence continued to grow until he became very prominent. He had so many sheep and cattle and such a great household of servants that the Philistines became jealous of him. So the Philistines took dirt and filled up all the wells that his father’s servants had dug back in the days of his father Abraham.

Then Abimelech (king of the Philistines) said to Isaac, “Leave us and go elsewhere, for you have become much more powerful than we are.” So Isaac left there and settled in the Gerar Valley. Isaac reopened the wells that had been dug back in the days of his father Abraham, for the Philistines had stopped them up after Abraham died. Isaac gave these wells the same names his father had given them.



One wonders, in a desert environment, why the Phillistines ruined the wells rather than using them. [u]Then, plowing planes into buildings never made much sense.[/u]Some people enjoyed destruction for its own sake then, and still do.

The reason, for example, that every single "Middle East peace initiative", including:

  1. The British creation of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan;
  2. The attempted UN partition in 1947;
  3. Eisenhower's stopping of the Israeli/British/French attempts to safeguard the Suez Canal;
  4. The "Rogers Plan";
  5. Kissinger's "step-by-step" diplomacy;
  6. Reagan's collaring the Israeli offensive that almost wiped out the PLO in 1982;
  7. Refraining from retailiation for Lockerbie;
  8. The Oslo Accords;
  9. The Clinton 2000 negotiations;
  10. The "roadmap"
as well as many others have failed is that the Israelis have stood ready to make major concessions and the Arabs have stopped short of the one concession that would mean anything; a binding promise of peace. This would be contrary tot he concept of jihad.

Amazing, the world hasn't changed.

[ 22 November 2007: Message edited by: cdncoldfront ]


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Free_Radical
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posted 22 November 2007 07:16 PM      Profile for Free_Radical     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by cdncoldfront:
Jihad is the Koranic codification and justification of desert raiding . . .

. . .

Blah, Blah, Blah

. . .

This would be contrary tot he [sic] concept of jihad.



Actually, "Jihad" simply means to strive or work hard towards something. There is absolutely nothing inherently violent in the word or the concept.

Of course, it's mightily convenient for some people to pretend that it only refers to violence and ignore its real meaning. Such willful blindness is, to use your own words, the codification and justification for bigotry and general stupidity.


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pogge
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posted 22 November 2007 07:17 PM      Profile for pogge   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by cdncoldfront:
One wonders if the "surrounding tribes" have changed much...

One wonders how close to outright racism you think you can come without being found in contempt of the conditions you agreed to when you registered here.

ETA:

Never mind. My question was answered in another thread. I'd say "until we meet again" but I suspect we won't have the opportunity.

[ 22 November 2007: Message edited by: pogge ]


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Merowe
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posted 23 November 2007 12:53 AM      Profile for Merowe     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
If it's in the Bible, it must be true.
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Michelle
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posted 23 November 2007 06:03 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by pogge:
Never mind. My question was answered in another thread. I'd say "until we meet again" but I suspect we won't have the opportunity.

Your suspicion was quite prescient.


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