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fatal ruminate
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posted 04 January 2005 05:49 PM      Profile for fatal ruminate     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Recently, I've read that with the dropping of international tariffs that much of the clothing imported by Canada will be coming from factories located in China and other countries without democratic governments.

Now, I realize that we all benefit from inexpensive clothing and shoes, but are we receiving this benefit to the detriment of the workers in those countries?
Doesn't the foreign currency that comes to these countries indirectly support the governments and slow the progress towards democracy?

Should we boycott goods made in such countries until they have democratic governments or would such boycotts hurt the workers even more?


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posted 04 January 2005 06:24 PM      Profile for Papal Bull   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"Recently, I've read that with the dropping of international tariffs that much of the clothing imported by Canada will be coming from factories located in China and other countries without democratic governments."

Eh? This is new?

I've been trying for ages to find out ways of reducing this. I feel guilty wearing the shirt on my back knowing that another lad like me over in Myanmar or another nation along those lines has to slave to keep my fat first-world ass happy. Currently I'm buying hemp based clothing, as I would imagine that they would be made in better working conditions.


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posted 04 January 2005 06:41 PM      Profile for robbie_dee     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, "recently" is a relative term in that this is all part of a grand phenomenon that has been going on for a while, but textile quotas in the rich industrialized quotas were officially ended just three days ago.

This is having complicated consequences for textile producers both in Canada and in the developing world.

The End of Textile Quotas Will Redistribute Pain and Gain


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The commitment to lifting textile quotas dates to 1994, with the successful close of the 'Uruguay Round' talks that created the WTO. On January 1, 2005, the United States, Europe, and other rich economies will abolish their quotas systems. The event is still awaited with enthusiasm in China and India – but in many other countries it arouses more apprehension than hope, as the livelihoods of over ten million workers across the developing world could be affected.

Unique in manufacturing trade policy, the quotas set limits on the number of clothes developing countries can send the US. Filipinos, for example, can sell Americans all the bicycles, yo-yos, and computer chips they can make. But they can sell no more than 4,198,176 cotton sweaters to the United States this year. Fifty-four other countries face similar limits.

Economists have long derided this approach to trade, and for good reason. For Americans, the quotas are drags on the standard of living. A recent analysis by the International Trade Commission suggests the quotas may raise clothing prices by 25 percent across the board, meaning Americans pay $50 to $60 billion more for clothes than they should.

Developing-country governments, meanwhile, considered the quotas an obnoxious barrier to growth and job creation. The reasons are obvious. Every day, U.S. ports take in a million sweaters, six million pairs of socks, 1.3 million brassieres, and much more. In 1994, Asian, Latin American, African, and Middle East governments alike assumed that ending the quotas would mean more American imports, and that more American imports would mean more jobs.

In 2004 it doesn't seem that simple. The quotas have certainly limited imports. But they have done so mainly for the countries that can make the most clothes – China in particular, and to a lesser extent India and other large Asian countries. These limits seem in turn to have created a 'space' of demand which factories in Nepal or Haiti could fill. So when the quotas vanish this January, some countries fear China and India will recapture the space left to others and do it so well as to squeeze them out completely.


As for boycotting goods, I don't know. I do follow a few personal boycotts, but the reason has more to do with my own moral compass than with a belief that my practice will actually change the behavior of those who I am boycotting. On the other hand, I do think I probably offer some help the small, local producers I try to buy from. If hemp-based clothing is manufactured under such circumstances, I might try it.


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posted 04 January 2005 06:48 PM      Profile for Coyote   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've never liked the idea of "boycotting", unless asked to by the workers. That said, even in my low-income capacity I've never spent more than 20 dollars at Wal-Mart, total (which may be more aesthetic, almost, than political). Targetted consumption, on the other hand, is great. Almost everyone can afford to buy fair-trade coffee, and it is readily available. I try to ensure that at least a part of my weekly diet is coming from local producers.

At the end of the day, though, it is not boycotts but regulations and the means to enforce them that are needed.


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lagatta
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posted 04 January 2005 08:52 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I buy fair-trade coffee, and fortunately living near a farmers' market am able to buy a fair percentage of my victuals from local producers - we'll never grow coffee though, and Québec wines are a joke. I do try to eat more winter salads (cabbage, celery root, grated carrot, etc.).

But clothing? I was lucky to buy good winter boots made here, but even if one avoids WalMart and the cheapest places, there is very little womens' wear made anywhere but low-wage countries. If I recall, not only Roots but also Northern Reflections and Cotton Ginny used to be locally-produced. They sure aren't now.


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posted 05 January 2005 02:31 PM      Profile for Rufus Polson     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You would think that, what with mass production and so forth, custom made clothes would be prohibitively expensive compared to commercial offerings. But I've found with shirts that I can get a shirt tailor made for about what I'd pay in a mall, the difference being that it's better workmanship, fits me, is exactly the colour and style I want, and lasts longer. Much longer if I pick good fabric. And the money goes to a real live local person, not to stockholders and ad companies. There's still questions about the manufacture of the fabric itself, no doubt, but it's a step in the right direction.
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Hailey
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posted 05 January 2005 03:00 PM      Profile for Hailey     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't buy any clothing at all from countries that I disagree with but I don't know you would ever find a way around food or other products. It's sometimes even hard to figure out the origin of things.
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lagatta
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posted 05 January 2005 03:11 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It is almost impossible to find clothing that is not made in countries with atrocious labour practices. I'll keep tailoring in mind should I ever want a blouse or shirt - about the only ones I seem to own are denim shirts - I usually wear sweaters or t-shirts. Obviously the nice silk t-shirts are made in China (where else?). I do look at labels but it is becoming well nigh impossible to find "ladies' wear" that is union made in countries with decent labour legislation.

It's like tools - I have many old tools that were made in Canada - practically none of my new tools are.


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Hailey
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posted 05 January 2005 03:12 PM      Profile for Hailey     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Lagetta I make my own clothes mostly or I buy second hand a lot.
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lagatta
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posted 05 January 2005 03:21 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I could sew, but I want to devote all my visual-artistic energy to painting. (I waste enough time babbling and e-chatting with other home workers while I'm writing!) I also buy a lot of second-hand clothes - there are many excellent sources in Montréal. Sure I have a Benetton coat from Italy - paid $3 for it! (Benetton has been involved in some pretty questionable practices elsewhere, but I think the workers in Northeastern Italy (Treviso) at the Benetton plant were treated fairly well, and there are unions) - but so many things now - even "upscale" things that I ONLY buy second-hand - are also made in places with little democracy and dubious labour practices.

Le Chaînon (charity shop for a women's shelter) is very good. Many churches, temples and other places of worship also have good bazaars here - Ste-Madeleine in Outremont is one of the best, St. George's Anglican Church in downtown Montreal is another.


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