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Frustrated Mess
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posted 22 December 2006 08:55 PM      Profile for Frustrated Mess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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WASHINGTON – In a letter sent to hundreds of voters this month, Rep. Virgil Goode, R-Va., warned that the recent election of the first Muslim to Congress posed a serious threat to the nation’s traditional values.

Goode was referring to Keith Ellison, D-Minn., a criminal defense lawyer who converted to Islam as a college student and was elected to the House in November. Ellison’s plan to use the Quran during his private swearing-in ceremony in January had outraged some Virginia voters, prompting Goode to issue a written response to them, a spokesman for Goode said.

In his letter, dated Dec. 5, Goode said Americans needed to “wake up” or else there would “likely be many more Muslims elected to office and demanding the use of the Quran.”



The new, more socially acceptable, anti-semitism


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B.L. Zeebub LLD
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posted 22 December 2006 10:40 PM      Profile for B.L. Zeebub LLD     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Amazing.
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posted 22 December 2006 10:42 PM      Profile for B.L. Zeebub LLD     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Is this what it's come to?

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posted 22 December 2006 11:05 PM      Profile for Frustrated Mess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The most striking aspect to me was the lack of strong condemnation of the comments from other poiticians (with the exception of the target who is wisely taking the higher road). Being openly racist is now permissible -- if directed at Islam, who, for the most part, is populated by persons not of European "ancestry" -- with no more than a quiet "tsk, tsk" from polite society.
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posted 23 December 2006 01:31 AM      Profile for Nanuq   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There's nothing particularly new about slamming a candidate over his or her religion. John F. Kennedy's old adversaries routinely used his Catholicism against him. Ditto for Jewish politicians.
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posted 23 December 2006 05:19 AM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A Virginia Republican attacks a Minnesota Democrat for his religion. Meh. The good people and voters of Minnesota have done a lot of good things; they've elected politicians who've taken the side of Canada in regard to the Devil's Lake diversion of unknown foreign biota into the watershed of Lake Winnipeg by North Dakota and they've elected some other interesting politicians as well. They even elected a public atheist a few years back - Jesse Ventura - for Governor. Ventura, a former Navy Seal and wrestling star, aroused the ire and antagonism of religious bigots of all stripes by his sensible and uncompromising atheism. Minnesotans rock.

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posted 23 December 2006 08:13 AM      Profile for TemporalHominid   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
wow

hopefully Virgil Goode gets voted out in 4 years

what an asshxle

"I will not be putting my hand on the Quran," Goode said

on the upside
"Freedom of speech is good, because it makes it easier to spot the idiots."

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posted 23 December 2006 08:14 AM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It could never happen here.
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posted 23 December 2006 08:23 AM      Profile for TemporalHominid   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Cueball:
It could never happen here.

is that confidence in Canadians and their elected reps, or sarcasm?


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posted 23 December 2006 08:30 AM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have confidence in the good sense of Canadians to avoid this type of outrageously racist ideology. I would say also, that the people of Denmark were rather so inclined against National Socialism the 1930's. However, such good sense did them little good.
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posted 23 December 2006 08:50 AM      Profile for TemporalHominid   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I hope you are right

does Canada's Muslim community currenly have a representative in the House of Commons or Senate?

I did an google search

Yasmin Ratansi from the Toronto riding of Don Valley East

claim: the election of Canada`s first Muslim woman member of Parliament 2004

How did the national media miss such a historic milestone for Canada`s 600,000-strong Muslim community?

confirmed
Yasmin Ratansi

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posted 23 December 2006 09:42 AM      Profile for B.L. Zeebub LLD     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Nanuq:
There's nothing particularly new about slamming a candidate over his or her religion. John F. Kennedy's old adversaries routinely used his Catholicism against him. Ditto for Jewish politicians.

Could you imagine someone questioning whether Joe Leiberman was "good for American values?"

The shit would - rightly - hit the fan.


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posted 23 December 2006 11:16 AM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
One thing I'd like to see as a side benefit of some sort of proportional representative voting system would be the election of an least one MP representing philosophical trends. Secular humanism is represented well by the existing parties but it could be vastly improved. It is, quite simply, not enough that religious bigotry is pushed to the edges. Philosophical trends of lasting and permanent values ought rightly, in a civilized society, to have a prominent place in social life.

It is an astonishing fact; religious stupidity in US society and our own is what gets passed off as reflecting some shared wisdom of our society. On the contrary, civil society is where I find civilization. It takes an act of imaginary heroism to dispense with the bigotry and think, aloud, of what might take the place of ideological stupidity. Arrg.


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posted 23 December 2006 11:52 AM      Profile for B.L. Zeebub LLD     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by N.Beltov:
A Virginia Republican attacks a Minnesota Democrat for his religion. Meh.

Jessie Ventura's pecs aside, what if Goode said Germans needed to “wake up” or else there would “likely be many more Jews elected to office and demanding the use of the Communist Manifesto”?

And went on:

“I fear that in the next century we will have many more Jews in Germany if we do not adopt the strict immigration policies that I believe are necessary to preserve the values and beliefs traditional to the German Fatherland and to prevent our resources from being swamped"?

Would that get a rise out of you? (I mean, other than for terrible prose..)

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posted 23 December 2006 12:10 PM      Profile for brookmere     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

Article VI, to be precise. Apparantly Rep. Goode does not consider the Constitution to be among the US's "traditional values".


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posted 23 December 2006 01:46 PM      Profile for 2 ponies   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This is so sad and pathetic, but I’m not surprised by it at all. There are plenty of bigoted politicians around; not only in the US but in Canada as well. I’m disgusted by this, but not surprised. It’s amazing how many politicians in the US get ahead by being blatantly bigoted. This bigot, Virgil Goode (“Goode and racist!”) is probably a fairly astute politician who knows that a lot of his constituents agree with him. How sad, that people like this can get ahead and that so many people support someone like Goode.

How surprising is this though, when someone like David Duke held public office in the USA? I once heard Bill Maher complaining about how the USA is always “bringing up the rear” when it comes to social advances.

I think something like this could happen in Canada quite easily, but I don’t think it would be at the national level. I could see it happening in some place like ….home, Saskatchewan, in any small city like Prince Albert, or Saskatoon even; some place where there isn’t a significant number of Muslims, or other minority. Racism is alive and well in this country, very much so. It’s always there right below the surface.

And Brookemere, good quote, can you link in your source though please?


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posted 23 December 2006 08:23 PM      Profile for Policywonk     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
does Canada's Muslim community currenly have a representative in the House of Commons or Senate?

I did an google search

Yasmin Ratansi from the Toronto riding of Don Valley East


Also Rahim Jaffer and Wajid Khjan, plus Mobina Jaffer, the first Muslim Senator of either gender, appointed in 2001.


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posted 23 December 2006 08:25 PM      Profile for Malcolm   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by 2 ponies:

I could see it happening in some place like ….home, Saskatchewan, in any small city like Prince Albert, or Saskatoon even; some place where there isn’t a significant number of Muslims, or other minority. Racism is alive and well in this country, very much so.



What the hell is that? Are we to be faced with another delusional Headless Hedy moment claiming that there are crosses burning in Prince Albert "as we speak?"

Yeah, racism is alive and well in every part of the country, including cosmopolitan Toronto and sophisticated Montreal - even wordly Vancouver.

Please take your Saskatchewan bashing and stuff it.


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posted 23 December 2006 10:30 PM      Profile for West Coast Greeny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So.... this is it? No national outrage?
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posted 24 December 2006 03:48 AM      Profile for Slumberjack     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Such a political figure in this country would be widely raked over the coals for such commentary, followed up by highly visable legal action against the individual's remarks, which of course would be followed up by a retraction, or a claim that he or she was misquoted or taken out of context. In the US, these types are portrayed as the voice of their constituents. It is politically more acceptable there because the public is more receptive to overt racism.
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